Tayyip Erdogan wants to limit abortions

[Tahuti]

Wow, this is upsetting. Hopefully the opposition will pull its finger out. I don't know what kind of sway the EU still holds, but maybe European diplomacy can do something positive here.

AFAIK, Ireland and Poland have tighter abortion restrictions than Turkey currently has, so I don't think the EU will do anything.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

In all fairness, to treat the right to abort a fetus as some kind of novel human right is also IMO over the top.

 

[Traitorfish]

Human rights are whatever we say they are. They don't actually exist.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Yeah, and I say that it is over the top in case of abortion. o_O

 

[Winner]

Turkey have 1.06% of world population, but 1.7% of world agricultural output. It have room to grow.

I know, I know, idiotic ecohysterical ignorance of real world.

There is nothing "ecohysterical" about stressing out that the world DOES NOT need more human inhabitants. Especially since it remains very unclear whether it can even support those who are already there

 

[Winner]

The reason has to do with the Kurdish birthrate being higher than the ethnic Turkish one. A lot of people are worried about this. He has said that every family should have three children and now there's this.

Here's a solution - let the Kurds have their state in territories where they constitute more than, say, 51% majority, and there will be no need to worry about their birthrates.

Or better, improve their living standard and quality of life in general.

 

[NovaKart]

Well the first option would be anathema to most Turks.

The second, well among Kurds that I know, the younger generation who live in cities have far fewer children. It could be in the future that it will balance out.

 

[plarq]

Those who are against abortion should go to China to enjoy the forced abortion.

 

[Leoreth]

Well the first option would be anathema to most Turks.

That sounds awfully similar like the situation in another state in the vicinity. It's a shame your collaboration ended recently, I'm sure they would've been able to give a few good hints on how to handle the undesired without allowing them self-determination.

 

[NovaKart]

I'm not really sure what you're referring to.

 

[Winner]

I'm not really sure what you're referring to.

Israel, probably, and it's a stupid analogy.

 

[NovaKart]

Oh that makes sense. I thought he was referring to Northern Iraq because he mentioned your collaberation which I thought meant American but he must mean Turkey's collaberation with Israel and by the use of the term - your - assumed I was a Turk which is quite understandable for people less familiar with my posting.

 

[innonimatu]

It looks like Tayyip Erdoğan's main goal with this is to increase Turkey's already large population, and nationalist Turks are concerned about the Kurdish population growing faster than the Turkish. It also shows Turkey going further into an Islamic government.

What, he wants to conscript a big army top reconquer the sultanate?

 

[Winner]

So, how long will this guy stay in power? Are there no economic problems in Turkey as a consequence of the crisis? Is the party still so strong?

 

[Tahuti]

So, how long will this guy stay in power? Are there no economic problems in Turkey as a consequence of the crisis? Is the party still so strong?

Despite Erdogan's... flaws (some which have become very clear in this thread), his economic policies are quite sound, executing the much needed liberalization of the Turkish economy. That, and the fact that Turkey is still a rising economy, and you have all the economic growth you need to not only counteract the consequences of the financial crisis, but also to add something big on top of it as well.

Erdogan may lose power some day, but probably not tomorrow, and definitely not because of the economy.

 

[r16]

abortion was a topic of last month , nobody talks of it now . And nobody will unless there is some other problem to deflect attention from . Abortion debate exploded only because the investigations about military bombing smugglers was about to incriminate pro-goverment generals .

 

[NovaKart]

I heard that a new law will go into effect in about 2 weeks. I don't know if that's true but it was a doctor who told me this.

 

[El_Machinae]

Turkey have 1.06% of world population, but 1.7% of world agricultural output. It have room to grow.

I know, I know, idiotic ecohysterical ignorance of real world.

I don't know if that's true. Turkey's aquifers are depleting, and so they're in the process of redirecting more rainfall for their agricultural usage. I've not seen any papers suggesting that the attempts to improve capture will halt the aquifer depletion, so I don't know if it will do more than just slow it.

If the groundwater is dropping, then the agriculture appears to be unsustainable. If I were a country, I'd want some 'buffer' with regards to how much food I produce and how much my citizens 'need'.

 

[Winner]

Don't be so ecohysterical...

 

[Algeroth]

I don't know if that's true. Turkey's aquifers are depleting, and so they're in the process of redirecting more rainfall for their agricultural usage. I've not seen any papers suggesting that the attempts to improve capture will halt the aquifer depletion, so I don't know if it will do more than just slow it.

If the groundwater is dropping, then the agriculture appears to be unsustainable. If I were a country, I'd want some 'buffer' with regards to how much food I produce and how much my citizens 'need'.

Meh, more than 50% before reaching some equivalence with present agriculture is good enough buffer is good with me.

Turkey suffers from mismanagement of water, but even with aquifers very low (but what still means more than twice more per capita water in aquifers than Czech Republic.) it has plenty of water, significant part of it in damns. The problem that faces turkey is the unequal distribution of water and loss due to leaks (that is horrible.) But the desalination programme from last decade was fiasco, I'll leave you that.

That agriculture in Turkey could be way more effective is undoubtedly true. But Turkey agriculture will crumble long after Chinese. Or Indian. Or Egyptian. Or South European. Or after certain parts of USA.