The last Antisemitic Events

[kramerfan86]

Yea ignoring all politics, I really dont see how anyone can think its wise to hitchhike in the West Bank, thinking you are in the moral right doesnt magically make it safe, especially in such a tense time with the peace talks failing.

 

[Tahuti]

Let's face it, not antisemitism, not a genuine desire for human rights are the reason why people support Palestine. It is a desire to be buddies with those that oppose Israel for whatever reason.

Israel is a pretty easy country to verbally dissapprove of anyway considering few nations are dependent on Israel economically or politically. The USA is primarily Pro-Israel not just because there exists strong popular support (which also exists in Europe) though rather USA's significantly lesser dependence on Middle-Eastern oil during the 1973 oil crisis and the lack of a poorly educated and integrated Arab minority. Nowadays it can get away with it fully anyway, because it is simply too important to ecomically ignore just because of Israel.

The calls for BDS are simply a pathetic intellectualisation of something that has far more mundane reasons of origin than simply human rights campaigns - considering Israel has comparably better record in that department than any other Arab state. It doesn't really deserve to be taken seriously either negatively or positively.

 

[Dostayer]

There is no other choice in most cases, the public transportation in this area is abysmal (something like 2 buses per day) and most people has no choice but to hitchhike...
But yeah, it is still a pretty bad idea, the same goes for staying there..

 

[Squonk]

Let's face it, not antisemitism, not a genuine desire for human rights are the reason why people support Palestine. It is a desire to be buddies with those that oppose Israel for whatever reason.

Israel is a pretty easy country to verbally dissapprove of anyway considering few nations are dependent on Israel economically or politically. The USA is primarily Pro-Israel not just because there exists strong popular support (which also exists in Europe) though rather USA's significantly lesser dependence on Middle-Eastern oil during the 1973 oil crisis and the lack of a poorly educated and integrated Arab minority. Nowadays it can get away with it fully anyway, because it is simply too important to ecomically ignore just because of Israel.

The calls for BDS are simply a pathetic intellectualisation of something that has far more mundane reasons of origin than simply human rights campaigns - considering Israel has comparably better record in that department than any other Arab state. It doesn't really deserve to be taken seriously either negatively or positively.

Live in your fairy world. USA is not pro-Israeli because it's just pro-Israeli and not tied by oil chains by Arabs as you seem to think, but because it is led astray, light years away from common knowledge and common sense, by active pro-Israeli lobby.

Israel does have a better record of treating its own citizens, but has a bad record of treating its minorities, and a horrible record when it comes to treating occupied territories or constantly violating international law.

What's BDS?

 

[Borachio]

Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions

 

[Dostayer]

Not quite, I personally worked (still working, less time) in Hadassah Mt. Scopus, Which serves mostly the Arabs lives near the hospital, they get treated better than in El-Maqassad or Augusta Victoria (the first won't let any Jews to enter its gates), but there are few problem with these minorities, some of them due to the hostility of them (mostly the Muslim one)...
And don't forget we are the only democratic state in the region, and the only one who is stable and relatively safe (due to the IDF presence in the West bank) and that isn't in some sort of civil war in the region...

Hmmm, common sense and common knowledge of whom?

 

[Old Hippy]

And don't forget we are the only democratic state in the region, and the only one who is stable and relatively safe (due to the IDF presence in the West bank) and that isn't in some sort of civil war in the region...

Hmmm, common sense and common knowledge of whom?

a probably good reason for having troops defend your borders in occupied territory, but to then allow Israeli's to further colonize disputed lands sort of goes against your point, especially the point that they are not in some sort of civil war, or that they are democratic in the areas they control.

 

[Traitorfish]

Let's face it, not antisemitism, not a genuine desire for human rights are the reason why people support Palestine. It is a desire to be buddies with those that oppose Israel for whatever reason.

And Kaiserguard finally crosses into Poe's Law territory.

Only a matter of time, I guess.

 

[Dostayer]

a probably good reason for having troops defend your borders in occupied territory, but to then allow Israeli's to further colonize disputed lands sort of goes against your point, especially the point that they are not in some sort of civil war, or that they are democratic in the areas they control.

The word "colonization" is pretty problematic here, though there is more to it than you think (as I mentioned Gush Eztion for example, and some of these settlements grew into full grown cities that under any treaty will be under Israeli regime, agreed by the Palestinians), the only issue remained is Jerusalem.
BTW: The Palestinians wants their country "Jews-free", and the we on the other hand have a deep distrust that they will keep the safety of the Jews in their Future state...
And I the West Bank isn't in civil war thanks to the IDF presence, and there were no very big terror acts inside Israel because of it too.

 

[Squonk]

The Jews in the West Banks are illegal settlers who settled there due to brutal colonial military occupation, disrespect for law of ownership etc. Of course they should be removed from there. Because there must be some stop to the never-ceasing Israeli landgrab.

 

[Old Hippy]

The word "colonization" is pretty problematic here, .

yes,
some 350.000 Israelis have migrated to foreign lands, so I think colonization is the word for it, having people live there is not really about the defense of Israel, it is more about expanding Israel

 

[kramerfan86]

Lack of peace benefits israel greatly, the longer the status quo goes, the more settlements that can be created and the larger currently existing ones can get.

 

[kramerfan86]

So on the kidnapping thing is there any evidence Hamas is involved or is Bennie Boy just running his mouth to try and back up his unreasonable stance?

 

[Agent327]

I thought the kidnapping occurred on the Westbank, not in Gaza?

Lack of peace benefits israel greatly, the longer the status quo goes, the more settlements that can be created and the larger currently existing ones can get.

Which, given the support inside Israel for these settlements, pretty much explains why peace talks continue to be failing. And then of course they can point to the continued terrorism by frustrated Palestinians...

 

[Dostayer]

Not exactly
Many people fear the day that we will have to annex the West Bank and Gaza, many thinks it will be the end of the Jewish state, that's why we want to finish this thing already.
And you think that removing the settler will be easy? It means to relocate all these people to somewhere new in Israel, with all due respect,some of these who were removed from Gaza Strip are still living in Caravans, and they were something like 1000 households!
And support for settlements? The only settlements that are getting support is those who ra part of settling cluster (Ariel, Ma'ale Adumim and Gush Etzion with the last being the least supported), the outposts outside these are agreed to be evacuate (In return the Palestinians are getting The Arabian Triangle inside Israel), the only things that are problematic are Jordan Vally and Jerusalem and the last one to be de-facto and de-jure annexed by Israel, and the situation prior to six days war con not return...
Many believe here that their leadership doesn't want peace. There were negotiations with them (with Tzipi Livni in charge) where she said they came up with irrational proposals for even to restart negotiations.
There was building freeze for 9 months in the start of 2009 for pleasing their leadership, they didn't want to talk. Now we released hundreds of terrorists during the last talk to please them, they still don't want to talk, and of course the problem with Hamas-Fatah Unitarian government (a terror organization that shoot rockets for a very long time as daily rutine, and with Islamic affiliation...), problematic...


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[Tahuti]

Not exactly
Many people fear the day that we will have to annex the West Bank and Gaza, many thinks it will be the end of the Jewish state, that's why we want to finish this thing already.
And you think that removing the settler will be easy? It means to relocate all these people to somewhere new in Israel, with all due respect,some of these who were removed from Gaza Strip are still living in Caravans, and they were something like 1000 households!

Well, should Israel annex West Bank and Gaza, Jews would still be majority (like 60%). So it would be a bit like Belgium where the Flemish dominate by a slim majority, except the Walloons in this case have a different religion. Israel may actually become a federal state with say a State of Judea that makes up all the parts as to form a 98% Jewish ethnic composition, a State of Palestine (though one without Hamas and Fatah) and a Jerusalem Capital-Province.

Ideological BS aside, the main reason why Arab countries support the Palestinians is because they are sick and tired of the Palestinian refugees. Annexing West Bank and Gaza will perhaps solve the problem of Fatah and Hamas, though won't solve Israel's problems with the Arab states, unless it has addressed that issue well. Israel may want to accept the Palestinian right of return and abolish its democratic structure to ensure its Jewish character.

And Kaiserguard finally crosses into Poe's Law territory.

Only a matter of time, I guess.

I guess Squonk did convince me. Israel is an apartheid state. And Israel controls America. Jews have way too much power and use it to support Israel!

I ashamed to be a Jew! Wished I could have no Jewish ancestors back to 1750!

 

[Dostayer]

Palestine right of return?
Naah, this was one of the irrational propositions that failed the talks last month, no one, not even Meretz/Labor Party will agree to such thing.
And if we talking about compensation, there should be one for the Jews who escaped the from the Arabian states for their appropriated property (which is assumed in Billions of dollars)...

And Federation like in Belgium?
I'm pretty sure that the degree of hostility between the Flemish and Walloons nowhere near to what we have here...

 

[Tahuti]

Palestine right of return?
Naah, this was one of the irrational propositions that fail the talks last month, no one, not even Meretz/Labor Party will agree to such thing.
And if we talking about compensation, there should be one for the Jews who escaped the from the Arabian states for their appropriated property (which is assumed in Billions of dollars)...

That's why democracy doesn't work. If political rights were limited to an aristocracy of distinguished IDF veterans (who volunteered) whether Jewish or Arab, Israel's identity would be safe and demographics wouldn't have mattered.

And Federation like in Belgium?
I'm pretty sure that the degree of hostility between the Flemish and Walloons nowhere near to what we have here...

I agree with that observation. It would be far more challenging.

 

[H4run]

I guess Squonk did convince me. Israel is an apartheid state. And Israel controls America. Jews have way too much power and use it to support Israel!

I ashamed to be a Jew! Wished I could have no Jewish ancestors back to 1750!

So stating that Israel is an apartheid state, and has a control on America mean hating your Jewish identity?

While denying the apartheid part of Israel and its lobbies on America politics especially foreign policies is accepting your self identity as a Jew?

Hence your position regarding Zionism is all down to your Jewish identity and feeling of belongingness to this race?

No harm intended just asking.

 

[Dostayer]

That's why democracy doesn't work. If political rights were limited to an aristocracy of distinguished IDF veterans (who volunteered) whether Jewish or Arab, Israel's identity would be save and demographics wouldn't have mattered.

The Democracy in Israel doesn't works anyways, partly due to the army mentally, the last thing I want is IDF veterans running the state XD


And Israel is not Apartheid state, claiming such thing is irrational.

Jews has control over USA? There is AIPAC, but I don't think there is more to it, if Jews were controlling USA as you said Obama wouldn't do the stupid mistakes he did in this subject...