1.) I don't mean to imply that you are atheist, although you were choosing their side in this debate. If you actually agree with me all the better. 2.) Well, I was under the impression that certain things were always wrong, even to an atheist. For example, I thought atheists believed it was a moral constant that it is wrong for a mother to kill her newborn child. If this is subjective, then is there really any morality at all?