The real apartheid state.

[Hygro]

Liberia doesn't let its (most likely) upper-class people vote therefore Israel gets to bulldoze people?

 

[bhsup]

You know what the -real- apartheid is? XBOX. My brother brought his xbox one over on thanksgiving and my xbox 360 wireless controller for windows won't work with it. It was DENIED because of what it is. Segregated and corralled and kept with other 360ers and not allowed to mingles with the new ONEers.

 

[Masada]

and shoot them, and torture them, and imprison them, and occupy their land in contravention of numerous UN resolutions &etc.

 

[Agent327]

And South Africa is quite different.

Actually, it is.

Liberia is a lesser known bit of US history:

In 1820, the American Colonization Society (ACS) began sending black volunteers to the Pepper Coast to establish a colony for freed American blacks. The American Colonisation Society is now widely regarded as being a failure in this effort - only an estimated 528 "free" blacks were convinced to move to Liberia. These free African Americans came to identify themselves as Americo-Liberian, developing a cultural tradition infused with American notions of racial supremacy, and political republicanism.[6] The ACS, a private organization supported by prominent American politicians such as Abraham Lincoln, Henry Clay, and James Monroe, believed repatriation was preferable to emancipation of slaves.[7]

Ofcourse, anyone could have googled that if they wanted to.

 

[Mouthwash]

Way to make it obvious that you have no knowledge about Apartheid. Did you get this example from the Young Zionist Handbook of Misdirection by chance?

No, I got it from the Talmud.

other people are doing bad stuff therefore isreal should be allowed to do bad stuff. QED.

No finer strawman than this classic.

 

[Mouthwash]

Actually, it is.

Liberia is a lesser known bit of US history:

Of course, anyone could have googled that if they wanted to.

What does this have to do with literally... anything?

Hmm, Masada seems upset that I responded to his arguments with dismissive mockery. Should I apologize and admit that I'm an arrogant child who doesn't feel the need to open a book before vomiting out his half-formed opinions? I too know the feeling.

 

[Masada]

No finer strawman than this classic.

That's basically your argument stripped of all the BS.

Hmm, Masada seems upset that I responded to his arguments with dismissive mockery. Should I apologize and admit that I'm an arrogant child who doesn't feel the need to open a book before vomiting out his half-formed opinions? I too know the feeling.

At least your honest.

 

[Mouthwash]

At least you're honest.

OK, fine. I'msorryformakinganoverprovocativethreadwithzeroknowledgeofthethingsIwastalkingabout.

Am I excused?

 

[Borachio]

Remind you of another flag?

Liberia is a mixed up place, alright. Who says it isn't?

 

[Masada]

OK, fine. I'm sorry for making an over provocative thread with zero knowledge of the things I was talking about.

Am I excused?

Only if you promise to think before you post in the future.

 

[Mouthwash]

Only if you promise to think before you post in the future.

 

[Tahuti]

Israel gets to bulldoze people?

The problem is that only when Israel does it, it is a violation of human rights and warrants sanctions on it, but if another country does, it is called eminent domain and if you think that is a bad thing also, you are considered a Libertarian.

 

[Masada]

The problem is that only when Israel does it, it is a violation of human rights and warrants sanctions on it, but if another country does, it is called eminent domain and if you think that is a bad thing also, you are considered a Libertarian.

Does eminent domain cover the United States knocking down a thousand or so Canadian houses?

 

[Tahuti]

Does eminent domain cover the United States knocking down a thousand or so Canadian houses?

Canada isn't de-facto part of the US, West Bank is de-facto part of Israel. The problem is that Israel must maintain the fiction of being dedicated to the eventual establishment to a Palestinian state, so doesn't acknowledge it de-jure. Ironically, this prevents the Palestinians from bringing the grievances before the Israeli justice system. Of course, the settlers also profit from this arrangement. To complicate matters further, the IDF (responsible for razing Palestinian homes) is essentially a seperate country from Israel; The Israeli government hardly seems to have any oversight at all.

 

[Masada]

So you analogy doesn't really work at all. Thanks.

(Although I sort of see the point).

 

[Tahuti]

The problem is that few governments, save for very small-sized absolute monarchies, have a legal actor that can be singled out for all the actions a state takes, good or bad. This doesn't mean that the institutions can be lumped together as one country, and when one institution commits a crime, suddenly the whole country is guilty, though people often tend to look that way. The US that invaded Iraq is not necessarily the same US that has Silicon Valley, even though they may exist at the same time at the same place with the same name.

Israel is a good example: In one way, it is a democracy that grants legal equality to its citizens and has more freedom of religion and is more free of prejudice than any other Middle Eastern country, though another Israel can be a representative of all that is wrong with the Middle East in general (religious fanaticism, racism, etc.), and some ways, even worse. No country is really one thing, especially not democracies.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Liberia was bought by the United States for the expressed purpose of providing ex-slaves and descendants of slaves brought to America with a place to return in their ancestral homeland. It makes a rather large bit of sense that they would want absolutely nothing to do with the race of people who had enslaved them. They didn't deprive anyone of citizenship, they have simply denied it to some people. Not the nicest thing to do, but it's nowhere near the comparison that is trying to be made, not by a light-year.

 

[Goodfella]

It's unfortunate that Liberia has this clause for citizenship. It reads not that different from the actual practice of Japan's citizenship laws. Ideally they will get rid of it.

The non-black folk of Liberia I highly suspect are among its wealthiest and most prosperous, socially connected citizens. Maybe not the tip top. I wouldn't know because I've never studied Liberia. But the non-African-descended folks living in Liberia probably do not constitute "The Real" apartheid like an actual apartheid situation of total oppression.

It's my understanding that the most of the non-black folk are from Lebanon, and yes, they are wealthier than the average Liberian. From this article it seems as if many Liberians don't trust them and that might be a source of the racist emigration law. I likewise haven't studied Liberia nor am I familiar with the article's publisher, but it seems Afro-Nationalist and racist. Like Nazi criticism of Jews.

 

[Masada]

The problem is that few governments, save for very small-sized absolute monarchies, have a legal actor that can be singled out for all the actions a state takes, good or bad. This doesn't mean that the institutions can be lumped together as one country, and when one institution commits a crime, suddenly the whole country is guilty, though people often tend to look that way. The US that invaded Iraq is not necessarily the same US that has Silicon Valley, even though they may exist at the same time at the same place with the same name.

Israel is a good example: In one way, it is a democracy that grants legal equality to its citizens and has more freedom of religion and is more free of prejudice than any other Middle Eastern country, though another Israel can be a representative of all that is wrong with the Middle East in general (religious fanaticism, racism, etc.), and some ways, even worse. No country is really one thing, especially not democracies.

Sure, that's all true. But its irrelevant because we're talking about states and operating at that level. And it's basically incontrovertible that what Israel is doing is against international law and in direct opposition to the diplomatic positions of even some of its closest friends. Australia still supports an Israel with its borders at the Green Line. (Not all of Israel's's governments have been that bad, but we're certainly been getting more bad than good lately).

I likewise haven't studied Liberia nor am I familiar with the article's publisher, but it seems Afro-Nationalist and racist. Like Nazi criticism of Jews.

There's nothing Afro-Nationalist about that article? It was a call to Liberians, not Africans.

 

[bhsup]

See, this is why I made that dumb xbox comment. A thread about Liberia got turned into an Israel thread. I figure xbox is just as relevant.