[RD] The Republican nomination

[Timsup2nothin]

You think if Drumpf manages to shove his nomination down their throats (via "the will of the people") then manages to defeat the hated democrats, that the Republicans in congress would stand up to him? Seriously?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

A bunch of gun-toting, agitated Republicans, hyped up, many of them drunk, all carrying guns? What could possibly go wrong?

Do you want a list? How much time do we have?

 

[Zkribbler]

Do you want a list? How much time do we have?

But guns keep us safe. Just ask gun advocate Jamie Gilt.

 

[Cutlass]

Whoa!

Does Cruz really have 5 mistresses on the side?
I didn't think he had it in him.


Does this story have legs like the John Edwards one, or is it made up?

I don't think it's likely. But early days, still.

 

[Archbob]

Did he have an inclination to hike to Appalachian trail more often than not?

 

[Farm Boy]

(which we mentally categorise as 'legitimate' violence).

Now, I think, we speak to the heart of the matter?

 

[Archbob]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politics/donald-trump-when-america-was-great/index.html

At least he's consistent. Back in these times Taxes on the top bracket were much higher and American was definately more racist. So, that's his definition of greatness

 

[jackelgull]

I'm not sure where to put this, but I found one man's adventure into a Trump rally while on an acid trip, and felt like sharing it with CFC: OT

https://np.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/3xub4y/went_to_a_donald_trump_speech_on_acid_super_bad/

NSFW, obviously

 

[Commodore]

You think if Drumpf manages to shove his nomination down their throats (via "the will of the people") then manages to defeat the hated democrats, that the Republicans in congress would stand up to him? Seriously?

Yeah. As has been mentioned by other posters, Trump has seriously pissed off a lot of the special interests that back the Republican party. While Trump may not be beholden to those interests, Republicans in Congress most certainly are. So if those special interests tell their little meat puppets in Congress to resist Trump, that's what they'll do.

 

[Camikaze]

So what, though? We've survived disastrous presidencies before, and we'll survive Trump if he gets elected. You're getting hysterical over someone who can't cause any real, lasting damage to the US.

I suspect it's not white middle class males that would be so concerned about having to ride out a Trump presidency. Are Muslim Americans, for instance, going to have a fun time under a Trump presidency?

How well did the citizens of New Orleans survive the last disastrous presidency?

Now, I think, we speak to the heart of the matter?

Yeah, I think the more interesting discussion is around how we treat the quality of violence - is it better to cause unintended collateral damage in a sanitised drone strike than to target the families of terrorists, if the former actually ends up killing more people? What if the former ends up killing more civilians? Is it better to practice violence in accordance with international law (e.g. Libya air strikes) than in breach of international law (e.g. Iraq)?

 

[EnglishEdward]

part of the city's latest move to spend a $50 million federal security grant for the convention.

Has someone told the candidates of such socialism?

 

[El_Machinae]

Yeah. As has been mentioned by other posters, Trump has seriously pissed off a lot of the special interests that back the Republican party. While Trump may not be beholden to those interests, Republicans in Congress most certainly are. So if those special interests tell their little meat puppets in Congress to resist Trump, that's what they'll do.

Frustratingly, he won't have a mandate to end bribing of Congress. He's not campaigned on that. Merely on being immune himself.

It's something everyone should bring to the townhalls for their local candidates. There's a real momentum opportunity here...

 

[Commodore]

I suspect it's not white middle class males that would be so concerned about having to ride out a Trump presidency. Are Muslim Americans, for instance, going to have a fun time under a Trump presidency?

Come on, man. You know damn well Trump won't be able to do any of the things he says he's going to do towards Muslims. Even if he, by some miracle, gets his ridiculous policies passed, they would be struck down as unconstitutional at the first legal challenge to them.

 

[Arakhor]

Come on, man. You know damn well Trump won't be able to do any of the things he says he's going to do towards Muslims. Even if he, by some miracle, gets his ridiculous policies passed, they would be struck down as unconstitutional at the first legal challenge to them.

One would hope so, but somehow Citizens United is now part of your "God-given" rights...

 

[Leoreth]

God is a Calvinist after all.

But I think the view that there are enough checks and balances in place to prevent President Trump from affecting the political landscape is kind of shortsighted. First of all, the next Presidential administration will get to reshape how these checks and balances work quite significantly: there already is one open SCOTUS seat, and it's not unlikely there will be more in the first three years of his presidency (as we all know Trump is a lame duck in his last year). 3-4 Trumpish judges in the supreme court is huge and will have repercussions long after the air is out of the whole Trump phenomenon.

Second, a realignment in the political landscape is not to be underestimated. Trump has already achieved that somewhat, but becoming the president would legitimize and amplify this realignment. And even if he gets zero laws passed and issues zero executive orders, his rhetoric alone will make discrimination and violence against racial minorities more socially acceptable, and the effect probably will not stop at these minorities.

 

[Ice_Tyrant]

Come on, man. You know damn well Trump won't be able to do any of the things he says he's going to do towards Muslims. Even if he, by some miracle, gets his ridiculous policies passed, they would be struck down as unconstitutional at the first legal challenge to them.

I know it's a different time, and I know white americans survived his presidency just fine, but Donald Trump kinda reminds me a lot of Andrew Jackson. He ended up forcing the removal of the Cherokee nation from northern Georgia, against the orders of the Supreme Court, and had them marched to Oklahoma during a pretty harsh winter. I don't need anybody like that back in. I doubt Trump could pull off a Trail of Tears these days, but still. White America will survive, but if you think all of america can survive a Trump presidency just go look and see if there are still even any empty cherokee towns left up in northern Georgia.

 

[illram]

Come on, man. You know damn well Trump won't be able to do any of the things he says he's going to do towards Muslims. Even if he, by some miracle, gets his ridiculous policies passed, they would be struck down as unconstitutional at the first legal challenge to them.

It's not what the government is going to do or not do that really concerns me. (But you underestimate the power of the Executive Branch, by a lot.) It's the perception and animus Trump's rhetoric breeds. Both from whites and minorities alike. Racists and terrorists for example both see Trump as a call to action, for one. He is gasoline on the fire.

 

[Commodore]

One would hope so, but somehow Citizens United is now part of your "God-given" rights...

True, but that very same Supreme Court also just struck down same-sex marriage bans as well. When it comes to real civil rights issues, the Supreme Court has a pretty good track record, even the conservative justices.

 

[onejayhawk]

I thought we left the guns in the other thread.

God is a Calvinist after all.

I'm Calvinist and I denounce this sentiment.

[Y]ou underestimate the power of the Executive Branch, by a lot.

That's a fact. We have seen a demonstration in the last three years.

J

 

[Archbob]

Meh, I'm more towards the armenian side because logically Calvinism doesn't work with the idea of a Merciful and loving God.