PaulusIII
Unholy Warlord
Nice set DE! However, there is one detail I need to bring to our attention...
MONTY ALERT!
MONTY ALERT!
The shogun strikes back!
- Thread starter RRRaskolnikov
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r_rolo1
King of myself
No, it's up to me to cope with the "Monty alert"I just realized I'm confusing my SG's. I'm up in the other one, not this
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
and I thought we were to tech aesthetics ... will take a look at the save later 
Monty alert? It was to be expected with us daring to claim his ivory
Cheers
edit: Shyuhe
... will take a look at the save later Monty alert? It was to be expected with us daring to claim his ivory
Cheers
edit:
Shyuhe
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
... Me and Ras have decided to let the barb do whatever it wants for one turn, so we can see what techs each AI has for trade, so this can be discussed properly...
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
It's fun when it's not you. Oh, wait... Monty is here to fill the void.
You need a personal assistant. Yep, fair enough.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Hum... we still haven't any granary in 750 BC 
and 3 workers
I guess we know on what we need to focus... The barb attacked and loose...
Here is the tech screen, really nothing worth it right now.
Charly is Monty's worst ennemy, but we are dead last in power... We need more troops...
tech: masonry -> aesthetics?
@Rolo: you should probably whip the lib in Osaka this turn
Also I redirected EPs on Charly and Monty
Roster duty:
Rolo -> up!
Sweetacshon ->on deck!
Cheers
and 3 workers I guess we know on what we need to focus... The barb attacked and loose...
Here is the tech screen, really nothing worth it right now.
Charly is Monty's worst ennemy, but we are dead last in power... We need more troops...
tech: masonry -> aesthetics?
@Rolo: you should probably whip the lib in Osaka this turn
Also I redirected EPs on Charly and Monty
Roster duty:
Rolo -> up!
Sweetacshon ->on deck!
Cheers
shyuhe
Deity
I would trade writing -- sailing with Pericles if possible. Sailing will give us better trade routes and it's not worth enough beakers to trigger "worst enemy" trading penalties. We may have to sink a turn or two in to researching it first though.
Regarding troops - we are protective. Let's hook up that stone and spam archers and walls. That will protect us from Monty and we can manipulate diplo for the rest.
Regarding troops - we are protective. Let's hook up that stone and spam archers and walls. That will protect us from Monty and we can manipulate diplo for the rest.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
All good points Shyuhe . have you numbers about worst ennemy trading penalty? I always wonder what I can do, and what will really piss off the AI...
. have you numbers about worst ennemy trading penalty? I always wonder what I can do, and what will really piss off the AI...shyuhe
Deity
No I don't have the numbers, this is all from personal experience I think the worst enemy penalty kicks in based on how much value your trade with the enemy has. So if it's a cheap tech or little gold, you won't trigger the penalty. As far as I can tell, pre-alpha techs aren't worth enough to trigger the penalty.
I think the worst enemy penalty kicks in based on how much value your trade with the enemy has. So if it's a cheap tech or little gold, you won't trigger the penalty. As far as I can tell, pre-alpha techs aren't worth enough to trigger the penalty.
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
Notice that Charly has monopoly maths; is he building HG?
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
"We don't want to trade this technologie just yet" he said... so no it's a monopoly problem
He would say "We have our reasons" if he was building the wonder...
Cheers
r_rolo1
King of myself
Well, got it...will try to play it today.
r_rolo1
King of myself
This game looks a lot more promissing for the Japanese
Short resume:
Finished masonry, traded writing for Sailing with Monty and teched Maths ( Japan needs big rock throwers ). Shaka dowed HRE but no ask for help so far. The religious map is heavily divided as you will see in the screenshots below:
Queues in Kyoto and Tokyo are place holders, as much as the tech ( I can see we wanting Currency and/or HBR before construction ). And, as soon as advisable, chop the jungle of the phant camp NE of Satsuma
This looks to be a much more warlike land than the AN one.... Cool
Short resume:
Finished masonry, traded writing for Sailing with Monty and teched Maths ( Japan needs big rock throwers
). Shaka dowed HRE but no ask for help so far. The religious map is heavily divided as you will see in the screenshots below:Spoiler :
Queues in Kyoto and Tokyo are place holders, as much as the tech ( I can see we wanting Currency and/or HBR before construction ). And, as soon as advisable, chop the jungle of the phant camp NE of Satsuma
This looks to be a much more warlike land than the AN one.... Cool
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
OK, I guess I'm up. The thing is I'll be traveling... I should still be able to play, but if I inexplicably don't turn up, you know why, and just skip me.
Haven't checked the save yet, but I'm thinking currency next, judging by the gpt. What are the chances of Gilgs or Charlie teching it for trade, tho? Otherwise, it's put in some cottages, put a blocker in that desert somewhere (any ideas?), and perhaps a wonder or 3. Did we decide where we wanted Maoi to go? What else were we thinking of? TGLib, Parth? Or am I getting SGs mixed up again. :crazyeyes:
Haven't checked the save yet, but I'm thinking currency next, judging by the gpt. What are the chances of Gilgs or Charlie teching it for trade, tho? Otherwise, it's put in some cottages, put a blocker in that desert somewhere (any ideas?), and perhaps a wonder or 3. Did we decide where we wanted Maoi to go? What else were we thinking of? TGLib, Parth? Or am I getting SGs mixed up again. :crazyeyes:
PaulusIII
Unholy Warlord
By now we're at a decision point again to take a path for the Classical Age. We can either take the classical warpath, we tech construction and HBR then go for Monty with cats, ellies and a few foot soldiers. We also have the land to go economy instead, though; then we tech Currency rather than war techs and kill Monty with samurai.
Our economy looks to be in great shape (for Japanese terms, that is ), we're only behind Gil (by the looks of it he has CoL) and Charle in tech.
Thoughts on our cities;
-Kyoto's by now pumping less settlers and does not need the extra food, so we should prepare Kyoto for bureaucracy by cottaging over the farms.
-Osaka can be grown to its happy cap with coastal tiles (or grassland cottages) and once it's there put two scientists to work.
-Same for Tokyo. Work the high-commerce cottage tiles and scientists.
-Kagoshima is an excellent production city with two food tiles and a bonus production resource, and lots of hills to give production in the early ages. If we are planning on a win before industrial age bonuses kick in this looks to be a good spot for the Heroic Epic.
-Satsuma can go in a lot of directions. It can be used for science or production, whatever we want it to do.
Our economy looks to be in great shape (for Japanese terms, that is
), we're only behind Gil (by the looks of it he has CoL) and Charle in tech. Thoughts on our cities;
-Kyoto's by now pumping less settlers and does not need the extra food, so we should prepare Kyoto for bureaucracy by cottaging over the farms.
-Osaka can be grown to its happy cap with coastal tiles (or grassland cottages) and once it's there put two scientists to work.
-Same for Tokyo. Work the high-commerce cottage tiles and scientists.
-Kagoshima is an excellent production city with two food tiles and a bonus production resource, and lots of hills to give production in the early ages. If we are planning on a win before industrial age bonuses kick in this looks to be a good spot for the Heroic Epic.
-Satsuma can go in a lot of directions. It can be used for science or production, whatever we want it to do.
shyuhe
Deity
Monty is busy already. So building up a few catas/elephants may not be a bad idea anyways. If he decides to go after somebody else, we can backstab him and pick up a few cities before he can move his troops to respond to our attack. Diplo's going to be a mess this game anyways.
Looking at the map, the desert area sucks so I wouldn't bother settling it. Maybe check out the land NE of Satsuma to see if there's anything worthwhile there? Otherwise, I'd settle something near the rice to the west. Unless we really want the stone for something...
Looking at the map, the desert area sucks so I wouldn't bother settling it. Maybe check out the land NE of Satsuma to see if there's anything worthwhile there? Otherwise, I'd settle something near the rice to the west. Unless we really want the stone for something...
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Hi,
I agree with Shyuhe, let's build some troops (cats, axes, phants) just in case Monty feels greedy... We thus need HBR after construction.
About wonders, it's been few sets where we could have gone this way, but now I feel it's too late: we have expanded near Monty, increasing our maintenance and likely bringing a dow on us... so I think priorities are troops and eco now (so one of currency, COL after phants enabling techs). I would prefer COL as it opens philo bulb and CS.
I marked some sites in the desert area if we feel like settling some (I read Shyue post after that so ...). There is one site with 2 fishes, rice and iron which could be worth it.
Cheers,
Raskolnikov
I agree with Shyuhe, let's build some troops (cats, axes, phants) just in case Monty feels greedy... We thus need HBR after construction.
About wonders, it's been few sets where we could have gone this way, but now I feel it's too late: we have expanded near Monty, increasing our maintenance and likely bringing a dow on us... so I think priorities are troops and eco now (so one of currency, COL after phants enabling techs). I would prefer COL as it opens philo bulb and CS.
I marked some sites in the desert area if we feel like settling some (I read Shyue post after that so ...). There is one site with 2 fishes, rice and iron which could be worth it.
Cheers,
Raskolnikov
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Roster duty:
Sweetacshon -> up!
Shyuhe -> on deck!
Sweetacshon -> up!
Shyuhe -> on deck!
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
-gpt@50%, and we still want 4 more cities in our own territory = not so good economically in my book. Anyway, construction it is. Playing now.
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
I played until construction finished, and was cowering from Monty the whole time.
Any builder plans I had were tempered by fear, so settlers, workers, and cottages were pretty much set aside for archers, chariots, iron, stone, and later spears, axes, and walls. such is life next door to Monty.
If he is to attack when the peace deal ends next turn, he will have a stack on either side of Satsuma, so it will be whip walls and sit tight for 5ish turns til reinforcements arrive. Good luck. If not then the plan, I suppose, is to continue buiding the economy, tech HBR then CoL or currency, bolster the border with melee troops, and fill in some city gaps.
Any builder plans I had were tempered by fear, so settlers, workers, and cottages were pretty much set aside for archers, chariots, iron, stone, and later spears, axes, and walls. such is life next door to Monty.If he is to attack when the peace deal ends next turn, he will have a stack on either side of Satsuma, so it will be whip walls and sit tight for 5ish turns til reinforcements arrive. Good luck.
If not then the plan, I suppose, is to continue buiding the economy, tech HBR then CoL or currency, bolster the border with melee troops, and fill in some city gaps.Spoiler :
