The shogun strikes back!

[PaulusIII]

Monty... is an idiot.

If he hadn't made a demand he'd probably have declared war by now, we're lucky that he doesn't have half a brain.

Proof is there in the Monty stack marching up and down the road... with a 10-turn peace treaty it's not like they got anything better to do than marching up and down the road.

A wall would probably be a good investment. He doesn't have catapults yet and he's stupid enough to suicide his units against the wall, so make sure to put 1 turn of wall in likely Monty attack spots so we can whip them if we need them.

With the chance of a Monty DoW almost 100%, we have no choice but to take the warpath. HBR is next for ellies and HA's. Once we have a defense force that can keep out the Aztec stacks, we should start building lots of catapults in anticipation of attacking with ellies&catapults. He probably won't take peace before we take the war to him either.

 

[shyuhe]

A wall + CG2 archers should to the trick. I'll see if I can play tonight. If we take out his SoD with minimal losses, we may be able to get peace pretty quick.

PS. Is anybody opposed to wall overflow?

 

[PaulusIII]

If you mean the borderline exploit 'wall overflow gold trick' I'd rather not do it, but if the team agrees on using it I'll go along with the team.

 

[Diamondeye]

I have no opinion on whether you should do it or not, but I am not doing it (consciously).

 

[shyuhe]

I only ask because stone's available if we want to use it to fund our research. If the team's opposed to it, I won't do it. Considering the micro involved to do it, I doubt we'll do it accidentally

 

[r_rolo1]

Monty is crazy enough to suicide his stack surely. I like the wall idea ( we're Pro, for heavens sake )

 

[Liquidated]

Have got to love the nutcases like monty khan and alex with their suicidal dashes into towering walls of doom. Almost makes up for starting next to them.... almost...

Cheers!
-Liq

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Hi guys ,

no pb with the wall overflow trick ... Japaneses aparently know how to make gold from stone... brillant!

I would redirect all EPs on Monty so wa can have a chance to see what he is (slowly) researching...
on tech: HBR -> COL?

@Shyuhe: Let protective shines!

 

[Sweetacshon]

Walls to gold is fine with me. I don't use it myself, tho.

One other thing- IIRC there is a GS in 10ish. Academy in the capital?

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

One other thing- IIRC there is a GS in 10ish. Academy in the capital?

That would be my vote... unless we keep it for philo bulb (we are going HBR -> COL right?). I assume we have enough time to grow another one in time for philo... if we remember to run scientists

Cheers

 

[Sweetacshon]

Yep, there are scientists running in the "older" cities, so we'll get another soon enough.

 

[shyuhe]

Clearly you guys haven't abused protective leaders against Monty pre-catapults. Let's just say... I beat him into submission without leaving our borders. I also forgot to tech HBR I wanted to expand our empire as there are some nice sites left. And we'll need a decent number of catapults to take on Monty anyways so I went currency first. Time to sell-off outdated techs!!!

So first things first. The obvious:

I didn't expect his troops teleportation correctly and lost a worker. Ooops I'll make it up though, with this:

I quickly knocked off the two chariots that retreated after that. A few turns later, I emptied the city a bit to convince Monty to suicide more units:

I feel dirty Basically I whipped the wall in place and promoted the archers to CG2 or 3. Then I watched him suicide his troops across the river into 50% culture

So I played through teching currency. Academy built in Kyoto as discussed, and our research is humming along. I begged some gold from Pericles and Gilgamesh as they were both pleased with us.

We can do the following:

Option 1:

I'd do it because it'll open up aesthetics (and literature for the HE!!!) and also priesthood--monarchy. Plus we get gold to boot. I'm not too concerned with WFYABTA as Gilgamesh is easy to get to friendly with HR and he techs well. The others ... can rot.

Option 2:

That's the only bribe available. I'm actually not to keen on it though. Monty doesn't have much of an army right now and Shaka does. Shaka took peace from HRE but managed to capture Nuremburg first He may be a force to be reckoned with in this game.

Also, Shaka made the following demand which I gave him:

He's not our neighbor and I want to keep him busy going after the other protective leaders over there.

And in case you're wondering:

He's broke so he won't give us gold. I don't really care if we take peace or not. Yeah we'll probably attack him soon enough but I'd rather settle some more cities first. He's kind of far from us anyways.

So I have a settler heading towards the stone/cow site. We should probably settle on the marked hill. Two more settlers are in the works. One should go grab the rice way out west, and the other should grab the rice to the NE of Kyoto. Kyoto is farming another GS but it's going to be a while before it's born. The warriors in Kyoto are there in anticipation of monarchy (HR). I'd leave them around as we'll need them soon enough.

Our all-star team:

Edit: I almost forgot. There's a GG right outside Kyoto. No clue what we want to use him for. Settling him to build level 3 catapults out of the gate is good if we're going on the offense. Otherwise I'd just make a medic.

 

[Diamondeye]

Good set, Shuyhe! I think we should focus on taking Monty out though, we are Tokugawa after all! All that peaceful expansion looks too un-Japanese imo

Anyway, we should definately head for HBR now and then go nanners on Monty?

Incase I am up I can't play until Friday.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Good set, Shuyhe! I think we should focus on taking Monty out though, we are Tokugawa after all! All that peaceful expansion looks too un-Japanese imo

Anyway, we should definately head for HBR now and then go nanners on Monty?

Incase I am up I can't play until Friday.

Indeed nice set Shyuhe...
i would delay the warring after we have done COL, let's be honnest, there are still some resources to claim, and Japanese eco won't support Aztec lands just now...
I am please to hear team opinion on that ...
We can also trade currency to gilga for calendar (we do have one resource and marble for the mausoleum), and the trades Shyuhe mentionned...

Roster duty:
Raskolnikov -> up
Paulus -> on deck
DE -> can't wait to play!

 

[r_rolo1]

The good predictable and stupid Monty

But I must about not having HBR

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

But I must about not having HBR

Tx Rolo, otherwise people will start to be fed up with me always being the one applying the ...

 

[shyuhe]

I wouldn't trade currency for calendar. We don't need calendar that badly and if we're going to war, we shouldn't be building wonders (except the HE). Also, currency is a powerful tech and I normally don't trade it around until a few AI know it. Techwise, I would prefer HBR -- monarchy -- literature. We might be able to trade for monarchy using construction as tradebait.

As for settlers, I think we'll have covered most of the good sites after this round of settling. We should send a settler up to the horse site NE of Satsuma at some point, but that can probably wait a bit.

PS. Most of our cities should not have to whip to build units. Let's try not to whip our cities into nothing like last game.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

I wouldn't trade currency for calendar. We don't need calendar that badly and if we're going to war, we shouldn't be building wonders (except the HE). Also, currency is a powerful tech and I normally don't trade it around until a few AI know it. Techwise, I would prefer HBR -- monarchy -- literature. We might be able to trade for monarchy using construction as tradebait.

As for settlers, I think we'll have covered most of the good sites after this round of settling. We should send a settler up to the horse site NE of Satsuma at some point, but that can probably wait a bit.

PS. Most of our cities should not have to whip to build units. Let's try not to whip our cities into nothing like last game.

I agree about not trading calendar... it's just that when we'll have started to kill the Ais, nobody will trade with us probably... so perhaps it's good to take it now...
Agreed about monarchy, but really i don't think we should go lit before COL... We can't grab significant land area without courthouses with Toku, so I see little point in building the HE and tones of troops when going into the offense will just kill your research for the next 1000 years...
About whipping: good point for Kyoto and the silver city (because they have good land)... but I will probably whip osaka, because this city basically has 3 tiles (working coast has never done wonders)...
And I still think the iron city is better for Moaï , as Osaka, aka gold city in case I am messing city names, won't ever be a great city. (I am saying that because i saw a sign in the save)

What do you think? (others can give input too )

 

[shyuhe]

The iron city will have enough production without the Moai. And Moai will only allow it to get 4 (or was it 5) more hammers. Osaka has food (fish) and Moai will actually make it a useful city. Unless you want to build the Moai in the double crab offshore island.

I wouldn't whip Osaka because the coast provides coins = pays for our empire. It has a lighthouse so they're 2/0/2 tiles. Not stellar but better than unimproved land.

Trading with the AI isn't really an issue yet as they're mostly cautious with us. Unless we declare on somebody, that situation won't change. Currency is a very good tech - worth far more than calendar. That's why I'm so reluctant to trade it. I'd rather trade construction than currency, as currency really boosts the economy.

Literature opens up the GL, which is super cheap with marble. Kyoto has some trees we can chop for it as well. We're not organized so courthouses are expensive. I would prefer to set up the literature wonders sooner rather than later. Each courthouse would only save 2~3 gpt right now.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

The iron city will have enough production without the Moai. And Moai will only allow it to get 4 (or was it 5) more hammers. Osaka has food (fish) and Moai will actually make it a useful city. Unless you want to build the Moai in the double crab offshore island.

I wouldn't whip Osaka because the coast provides coins = pays for our empire. It has a lighthouse so they're 2/0/2 tiles. Not stellar but better than unimproved land.

Trading with the AI isn't really an issue yet as they're mostly cautious with us. Unless we declare on somebody, that situation won't change. Currency is a very good tech - worth far more than calendar. That's why I'm so reluctant to trade it. I'd rather trade construction than currency, as currency really boosts the economy.

Literature opens up the GL, which is super cheap with marble. Kyoto has some trees we can chop for it as well. We're not organized so courthouses are expensive. I would prefer to set up the literature wonders sooner rather than later. Each courthouse would only save 2~3 gpt right now.

ok, all good points... so most likely we'll go HBR -> lit with GL in mind... I suppose we still want some cats and phants in the meantime... and I won't trade for calendar
Also about EP points: I see there are on both Charly and Monty... did you specifically set that or is it because you used the save without the change? (I had set them on Monty when playing one turn in between two sets)
But first I have to go play my set in the Monty SG