The spanking poll
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Xeven the God
Democratic-Marxist
I don't think spanking, or indeed a good ass whooping is child abuse if used sparingly and in the right context. It can certainly become abuse if beatings are fierce and frequent, but there is nothing wrong with it if you reserve it for when your kid really screws up.
I honestly don't know where the idea that physical discipline is ineffective came from... I know for certain that whenever I was spanked I never did what I was spanked for ever again. Then again, my parents didn't spank a lot. Four times total, and I remember every single one was for something pretty serious.
I honestly don't know where the idea that physical discipline is ineffective came from... I know for certain that whenever I was spanked I never did what I was spanked for ever again. Then again, my parents didn't spank a lot. Four times total, and I remember every single one was for something pretty serious.
scy12
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So is this thread about what i once called it ? Is this thread really necessary ? I consider it trolling actually.
You have a chance to reply IN context in the other thread or continue your trolling here. I am not going to reply in this thread at least to you. Though i have already replied.
No i am not referring to any PM discussion we ever had. You need to refresh your memory or you are just in "acting" mode. I don't remember you using any strawman in a PM discussion with me. (Attention not using Strawman does not mean that one is correct . ) I am referring to the public "discussion" we had without PMS where instead of discussing you kept repeating a strawman continuously .
Mise
isle of lucy
Can someone answer me this please??????
Why would you spank a child if you weren't angry at them?
Why would you spank a child if you weren't angry at them?
Do you get angry at a puppy when you are house training it? If you do, you shouldn't have a dog. Same goes for kids. You don't spank a child because you're angry. You spank to teach, and as I said in the last thread, spanking is a tool with a narrow window of usefulness, starting from the "terrible twos" and lasting a few years in most cases. All children are different, and some never need a swat. Some are strong-willed and need that little smack to get the message across.
I'll give an example off the top of my head. Dissect it and criticise all you like. Attacking the example does not disprove the principle.
Parent: Don't touch that priceless Ming vase. (no, of course no sane person has priceless Ming vases within reach of a three-year-old, get a clue)
Brat (no, don't get wrapped up in the label, it's shorthand, BUY a clue already): reaches out and almost touches the vase, looking at Parent with a defiant grin.
Parent: Don't touch that.
Brattouches vase, grins
Parent:Alright, I warned you, I told you not to touch the vase, didn't I?
BratDefiant silence
Parent:And you touched it, didn't you?
BratDefiant silence
Parent:Alright, now you have to be punished. Go to your room, and don't come out until I tell you to.
Brat(If he's like my son at three) breaks out bawling and runs into his room
Now, 90 percent of the time this is as far as it goes. Three minutes later parent goes in, sternly explain that when parent tells Brat something, parent expects Brat to listen, and asks if Brat understands. A hug would not go amiss at this point, if Brat has got the message. No different than house training a puppy. No actual anger involved. If there is, turn your kids over to an adult, because you aren't one.
But then there is that time when the brat is feeling extra defiant. He's pushing the boundaries. Parent gives the warnings, metes out punishment when the warnings are ignored, and brat refuses to submit. Brat has escalated, and what tool does the parent have? Well, when brat is old enough to understand why they can't watch television for a week, then that is an option. At three years old, brat has an attention span of three minutes. A smack on the bottom and an escort to brat's room is appropriate, effective, and sensible.
You lot who call that child abuse should read Doctor Spock. He's the one who started all this "don't spank your kid" garbage, and even HE now says that was a mistake.
A few spankings at the appropriate time are the best thing you will ever do for your kids. Even more important is to be consistent. Nothing confuses a child more than a "parent" who lets their emotions rule how they raise their kids. ANd THAT is the most harmful thing a parent can do. Saying that spanking is bad is absurd, when the real harm is done by inconsistent, indulgent parents who spoil and ruin their kids because the parents are too immature to raise a puppy, much less a child.
Mise
isle of lucy
What are you teaching a child when you spank them? And what is that child learning?
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Options are too general. I think, therefor my head hurts.
To teach the brats their proper place in the social pecking order of course! All children are undisciplined, unreasonable savaged! This will civilise them!
I just wish more older children and adults are as strong-willed as young children.
See, this is why trying to reason with internet morons is pointless. Lead them to water, stick their noses in it, and they still refuse to even try to see the other point of view.
They are learning that adults know better than babies. But if you think your children should just be allowed to run free and do whatever they want unril they kill themselves, go right ahead. That's Darwinism in action.
azzaman333
meh
If done correctly, spanking is a last resort tool to teach a child that doing a certain thing is dangerous/bad/wrong. If done incorrectly, it's child abuse.
Mise
isle of lucy
That's your point of view, and I can see it quite clearly. It is written right in front of me.
You agree, then, that this is your point of view, and not the child's? You may intend to teach them this, but they may be learning something entirely different.
Good - you have restored my faith in reasoning with internet morons.
If you can point to where I posted that, I would be grateful. Judging from your previous posts on this forum, you have a problem with reading comprehension, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and consider that, from your point of view, "Why would you spank a child if you weren't angry at them?" means "I think my children should be allowed to run free and do whatever they want until they kill themselves".
Just so you are clear on this, I said no such thing.
Huayna Capac357
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Spanking is cruel. Why would you spank your child. I mean, you can just yell at them. Why cause pain to your children? In other situations, that is considered abuse. Why not in this one?
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Xeven the God
Democratic-Marxist
You're teaching the child that a certain action will not be tolerated. They're learning that if they perform said action, then there will be discomfort in their posterior. Simple as that. If they're learning anything else, then you're spanking to hard or spanking too much.
Do you have a child? If you don't, then you should understand that yelling and timeouts don't always work. They're not 100% effective 100% of the time. Neither are spankings, of course, but when the lighter punishments fail they're a more stern way of telling the child they better knock off whatever they're doing.
If you're yelling at a 3-year-old, you shouldn't be a parent.
If the axiom "this hurts me more than it hurts you" isn't true when you're spanking your own child, you shouldn't be a parent.
Mise
isle of lucy
So you agree that they are learning that hitting children is a good way of exerting control over them? How do you think this affects their relationship with other children? Do you think that this attitude is carried with them into adulthood? Do you think that, on average, people who are in favour of spanking have a more hawkish attitude on foreign policy, and a more hardnosed attitude on domestic policy?
