Yes a cage is less barbaric than castration.
[RD] Trans Erasure
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Yes a cage is less barbaric than castration.
You're presumptuous and overly frothy to physically harm others. The state should have no right to physically harm someone.
You have whatever political leanings, you don't need to belittle those who disagree with you.
Finally this is wildly off topic so i'll finish it here.
It is condescending and belittling to accuse someone's political view to be a result of their age.
If you don't accept that I don't know what else to say.
If you don't accept that I don't know what else to say.
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The lesson of this week from here in Scotland is that we do need to get back to the reality of biology - the absurd spectacle of a Judge having to address a rapist as "Ms" before ordering him to a male prison must never be repeated.
Trans debacle is the end of the line for Nicola Sturgeon
Whatever happens now, the cult of Sturgeon is over; she is a busted flush.reaction.life
Do tell us how you really feel about trans people.
Do you think attempts to eliminate us constitute a genocide?
You have just as much chance of encountering more healing and joy. Don't pour your glass out!
Sucks, doesn't it? A bit like religious conversions at close proximity to criminal trials (whether before the trial or before sentencing) or for that matter deathbed conversions/repentance; the Catholic Church at least (I presume Protestant and other Christian denominations as well) sort of reluctantly respects/honors these as a mandatory thing because it is a more important and generally positive outcome to maintain the standard than to put a crack in the dam for possibly cynical and manipulative liars. I'm told God works in mysterious ways, though.
Or for that matter, in the US, the ACLU (and others) defending the constitutional rights of Nazis and other fascists that when it comes down to it would prefer a vastly changed Bill of Rights. It's important to maintain the structure even for the edge cases where no one likes the result, the victims experience further anguish and hell sometimes even obviously guilty people go free.
So please don't blame the Church, the ACLU, or in this case the transgender community and its allies. Blame a rapist that is (probably) taking advantage of a system that is generally beneficial but in edge cases like this open to manipulation for evil self-serving ends.
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No as Trans people are not an ethnic group or nation.
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Neither are gay people, yet they're counted as victims of genocide. How do you feel about the fact trans people exist
There are people who are ableist and don't consider disabled people to deserve normal human rights. If some future government decided to get rid of the "disabled problem" (because we are considered 'unproductive' and a 'burden on society'), would that be okay because we're not an ethnic group or nation?
I don't defend the crime of rape. And it's entirely possible that women can rape women (good thing Mary isn't part of this thread or she'd have gone ballistic on half a dozen people by now, including me for the first part of this sentence, as this is one aspect of feminism in which we are not in agreement).
But you appear to be judging all trans people by this one situation. That's not okay.
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No it wouldn't be ok but it wouldn't be genocide either.
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I heard there is chemical castration but I'm not sure how that works. And I'm all for finding alternatives to prison. Especially if we honestly have to argue what prison, men's or women's, a man who says he's a woman ought to be locked up in.
*edit* I would never have believed that that was open for discussion
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Honestly, I'm so tired of discussions like this boiling down to arguments about the definition of the term genocide. Personally, I don't think all the various hideously nasty things inflicted individually and generally on transgender folk globally clears the bar for genocide. Many of you do.
SO EFFING WHAT?!?!?!
It. Is. Still. Happening. Regardless of whether it collectively meets some arbitrary definition.
You want to argue whether children should transition and when, fine.
You want to debate whether transgender folks participating in gender-segregated sports is okay, sure.
You want to talk about untreated or even unrecognized gender dysphoria leading to higher suicide rates, I'm up for it.
You want to discuss whether gender is even a thing, yeah why not.
But for the genocide debate, I'm calling it trans erasure, and am done with it.
SO EFFING WHAT?!?!?!
It. Is. Still. Happening. Regardless of whether it collectively meets some arbitrary definition.
You want to argue whether children should transition and when, fine.
You want to debate whether transgender folks participating in gender-segregated sports is okay, sure.
You want to talk about untreated or even unrecognized gender dysphoria leading to higher suicide rates, I'm up for it.
You want to discuss whether gender is even a thing, yeah why not.
But for the genocide debate, I'm calling it trans erasure, and am done with it.
Speaking of chemical castration, the irony is that MtF Hormone Replacement Therapy (to differentiate from the cisfemale postmenopausal kind) absolutely cratered my libido for close to a year that was what I assume was tantamount to chemical castration for me. I didn't mind at all. Having talked with the ~25K trans folks on a few Discord servers I understand that this is typical but not guaranteed. It's really only been removing Spirolactone (sp?) and adding Progesterone to the mix that has had it stirring again, but in a much better way.
My larger point being, it is entirely possible that this rapist would absolutely welcome chemical castration, especially if her masculine crotch equipment causes her significant gender dysphoria. I don't know why that would be an alternative to prison, though - she is a convicted rapist, please do lock her up somewhere and throw away the keys.
Edit: And the regular scalpel-involved kind of castration, even moreso.
My larger point being, it is entirely possible that this rapist would absolutely welcome chemical castration, especially if her masculine crotch equipment causes her significant gender dysphoria. I don't know why that would be an alternative to prison, though - she is a convicted rapist, please do lock her up somewhere and throw away the keys.
Edit: And the regular scalpel-involved kind of castration, even moreso.
Pronouns have very little to do with biology, otherwise my wife magically changed when she got married to me. And let's not talk about my friends with doctorates.
I get it, you're attempting to equate the two because you're a gender essentialist. But that's not a reality, that's just what you happen to believe in.
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