There was also the issue or sending hundreds of thousands of Russians to states like the Baltics, in addition to deportation of equally large number of locals, to tip their demographic profile, no?
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Saudis foil attack on Grand Mosque in Mecca
The puppies are starting to bite the hands that feeded them
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/23/middleeast/grand-mosque-attack-foiled/index.html
I find it BTW really disgusting that this Holy Site can be a subject of attacks
The puppies are starting to bite the hands that feeded them
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/23/middleeast/grand-mosque-attack-foiled/index.html
I find it BTW really disgusting that this Holy Site can be a subject of attacks
Maybe prior to WW2. After the war as much as 10% adult Estonians, for example, were deported.
And then there was the mass settling of Russians there, which surely you won't deny radically changed their demographic profile.
The Sauds have been attacked by (even crazier) Islamists for decades now.
As I said, the most organized and popular internal opposition to the House of Saud does not come from some cute liberals, but from bathorsehocky crazy Islamists who want to wage war on most of the human race. As much as we detest the Saudis, that's something to always have in mind.
Frankly, I see few reasons to trust the Saudi's on this without any outside sources.
You know the Grand Mosque has been attacked by Islamists before, right?
That crossed my mind as well
also considering the timing with the Qatar issue
But there was also the blow up of the Great Mosque of al-Nuri in Mosul two days ago
After the war - about 100,000 people from all Baltic States, which is 2%.
Mass settling you are talking about, consisted of sending specialists with their families - engineers, teachers, doctors, military officers, etc. The policy was the same for all republics and wasn't intended to change demographic profile. If it was, USSR would be sending more people, for instance, to Middle Asian republics.
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I remember a conquering of the Grand Mosque long time ago, which was also to overthrow the Saudi's iirc
were there more ?
So those "specialists" and "engineers" were about 30% of Estonia's population? Wow, that's like the most specialized place in the history of the world.
Plus, you don't think that had a bit of an impact on their demographic profile? You know, 30% of their population being composed of Russians?
Oh, there's also no real reason to think that they're specifically lying. The story is certainly plausible or at least not implausible. It's just hard to tell either way and no independent verification seems possible.
It would also, for example, not surprise me to see that they indeed arrested people, but that these were just part of the opposition and not terrorists. (The Erdogan formula.)
And their descendants, yes.
The problem with Baltic States demography is their birth rates, not imaginary external plot. Just to maintain constant population level, they needed tens of thousands migrants every year.
This is what happens to them without "russification":
Spoiler :
Latvia, for example, lost more than quarter of its population in 25 years. And no, this is not mass exodus of Russians - the ones who wanted to leave did it in first half of 90-s.
Even before the collapse of the soviet union the proportion or Russians in the Baltics was enormous. So it has nothing to do withow birthrates, and everything to do with mass settling of Russians.And their descendants, yes.
The problem with Baltic States demography is their birth rates, not imaginary external plot. Just to maintain constant population level, they needed tens of thousands migrants every year.
This is what happens to them without "russification":
Spoiler :
Latvia, for example, lost more than quarter of its population in 25 years. And no, this is not mass exodus of Russians - the ones who wanted to leave did it in first half of 90-s.
Look, when out of deliberate policy you send your nationals to another country in numbers enough to comprise one third of their population, that's called mass settling and that's called changing the demographic profile. Of course when over just a few decades one third of your population becomes members of a foreign country, there will be consequences. The Soviets knew this very well, and did it deliberately.
On the one hand, that's clearly bullying meant to protect some autocracies from criticism.
On the other, good riddance. Al Jazeera has caused incalculable damage to the Middle East. What's more, I don't remember they ever voicing any criticism of the Qatari autocracy. So their motto of bringing pluralism and diversity to the Arab media is a bit false.
Hmm, that's my point actually. USSR was sending people (not only Russians, by the way) to compensate their natural loss of population. Internal migration policies were the same in all republics, USSR was sending people in Georgia, Armenia, Tajikistan as well. Cultural and language policies were the same too - there were magazines, newspapers, books in local languages, children in schools learned native languages, etc. But only in Baltic States all this caused demographic shift. Unless you are suggesting that evil Russians made them stop having babies, I don't see malicious intentions in these policies.
Perhaps they didn't want them losing quarter of population in a few decades. That would definitely cause economic consequences.
Uhhhh. What with, all that reporting on stuff?
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I take it that you now believe that those people should spend their lives in the place they were born, and will be moving back to Brazil shortly?
Actually I do believe it unfortunate that people move about so much instead of focusing on improving "their own" lands...
The Saudis have been demanding that for years. And they have pulled this kind of stunt (cut diplomatic ties and trade) before, it's just that this time they're pushing others to do the same. Ans some are refusing. Kind of like when Napoleon tried to blockade the UK... many nations do not want to cut trade and would only do so under duress. Saudi Arabia can't invade all the other arab countries around to enforce this...
This whole thing stinks of power politics among the Saudis, with the "coup" by that prince.
Is is financed and used for propaganda purposes. Just like the BBC, CNN, RT, Euronews, etc... there are no "innocent" reporters in large news organizations.
Sure, like Der Stürmer was just reporting.
But nothing to fear of Islamist propaganda, right?
Weren't you the guy who said a few years ago that Erdogan and his party were just like European Christian Democrats, and all concerns in the West over a Islamist party in power were due to unwarranted Islamophobia? How do you feel now?
There's no such thing as democratic political Islam. Al Jazeera is a voice of political Islam, and hence it's undemocratic.
Even the so-called moderate Islamist countries like Tunisia (often called by apologists the success story of the Islamist Spring) are now harassing and even arresting people who refuse to feast on Ramadan, and banned Wonder Woman because the lead actress is Israeli. There's no such thing as moderate Islamism.
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