Trump Assassination Attempt.

[SemiLazyGamer]

AP sources say Trump shooter also had pictures of Biden, Attorney General Merrick Garland and FBI Director Chris Wray on his phone and had looked up the Democratic National Convention date and future Trump appearance dates.

Rally shooter had photos of Trump, Biden and other US officials on his phone, AP sources say

The 20-year-old Pennsylvania man who tried to assassinate Donald Trump had photos on his phone of the former Republican president, President Joe Biden and other officials, including Attorney General Merrick Garland and FBI Director Chris Wray.

apnews.com

 

[Strong Reaction]

I think: His motive has little or not much to do with Trump. The kid fits the profile of a mass shooter, loner, socially awkward, possibly an incel. The event, the assassination attempt was also essentially a suicide, an attempt at giving his life some sort of meaning or to gain some kind of notoriety. I just don't think he had a deep hatred for Donald. Just I a thought though, I could be completely off. I mean there are bus loads of angry young males committing mass shootings, this one just happened to pick a former President.

 

[Kyriakos]

He was unlucky in his death too, or rather not lucky enough. But the stories up to now do signify he just wanted to go out with a bang and be - in his view - remembered. Maybe remembered as the one who did damage, instead of the one damage was done to.
"If a man has hurt the world more than the world hurt him, we say he is a great man" - F. Kafka. Though even if Crooks had killed Trump, he'd still be a long way from tipping the scales on that.

It's too sad, really. He was only 20.

 

[Moriarte]

"17:52 the shooter was spotted on the roof by secret service, full 20 minutes before the shooting".

A counter sniper flagged a suspicious man using a rangefinder to the US Secret Service some 20 minutes before a gunman opened fire at a Donald Trump rally, according to members of Congress briefed by law enforcement. - BBC

Trump needs new bodyguards. Current ones are only good for funerals.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

You're getting dunked on enough here, so to perhaps highlight an aspect that people are assuming but not saying explicitly: Sex requests from employers/authority figures may come with consequences for refusal and this causes consent issues. Does that help explain peoples concerns?

Fair enough. I had not considered that angle. I will concede the point given that you are in fact correct in this case.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I've seen reports that he wasn't on a ladder; he was hoisted up by another cop and was pulling himself up to the roof pullup style. If so, both his hands were occupied and he could not draw his weapon.

Ya, that's what they are saying now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813648980951069057

Also, the shooter was scoping the rally out days before and stashed his rifle there in advance they think?

Thomas Matthew Crooks hid rifle ahead of Trump rally sniper attack, Secret Service source says

The would-be Trump assassin hid a rifle ahead of the deadly rally shooting, a source said.

www.fox13seattle.com

Thomas Matthew Crooks, the 20-year-old would-be assassin who opened fire on former President Donald Trump's Pennsylvania campaign rally Saturday, hid the weapon in advance, according to a Secret Service source.

It was not immediately clear where he hid it, however. By the time agents spotted him on the roof, he was already holding it.

"We went from golf range finder to AR-15, and now we have to fill in the gap," the source told Fox News.

The shooter was looking at Trump with the rangefinder (small binoculars? not extremely alarming) beforehand.
Maybe that will be a restricted item in future political rallies.

 

[Strong Reaction]

Ya, that's what they are saying now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813648980951069057

Also, the shooter was scoping the rally out days before and stashed his rifle there in advance they think?

Thomas Matthew Crooks hid rifle ahead of Trump rally sniper attack, Secret Service source says

The would-be Trump assassin hid a rifle ahead of the deadly rally shooting, a source said.

www.fox13seattle.com

The shooter was looking at Trump with the rangefinder (small binoculars? not extremely alarming) beforehand.
Maybe that will be a restricted item in future political rallies.

I don't think a good argument can be made that says the secret service and the police did an excellent job at protecting Trump, other than what happened after shots were fired. This whole thing is a cluster f. Its shocking that they saw the shooter using a range finder and did not take steps to apprehend him or at the very least postpone the rally. Maybe they, the secret service, were lax after doing security for the massive amounts of rally's that Trump holds, but the local police have no excuse. Hell neither of them have a viable excuse they have one job one sole focus.

 

[Zardnaar]

I don't think a good argument can be made that says the secret service and the police did an excellent job at protecting Trump, other than what happened after shots were fired. This whole thing is a cluster f. Its shocking that they saw the shooter using a range finder and did not take steps to apprehend him or at the very least postpone the rally. Maybe they, the secret service, were lax after doing security for the massive amounts of rally's that Trump holds, but the local police have no excuse. Hell neither of them have a viable excuse they have one job one sole focus.

It's a small town police force. Less than 25 including admin staff.

 

[Farm Boy]

You really don't want them patrolling county fairs like they are the secret service.

Stupidly enough, as the stories go, they still appear to have forced the situation.

 

[Lexicus]

they have one job one sole focus

No, protecting the President, former President etc is literally not the local police force's job

 

[Gori the Grey]

One of the commentators I heard the following day was a woman who had previously been high up in SS. She said security for these events always involves a mix of their personnel plus state and local police, and that it always involves negotiations. She said "We'll say to the locals, we need 70 officers; they'll say back, we can spare you 50." If Zard is right about numbers, Butler couldn't provide half of this woman's [admittedly hypothetical] numbers.

 

[Bamspeedy]

The 25 number (city police force?) includes administration as well (human resources, etc), if i remember right, and doesnt count what they can get from other nearby police forces, county cops, state patrol, etc.,so i wouldnt put much into it.

 

[Cutlass]

The 25 number (city police force?) includes administration as well (human resources, etc), if i remember right, and doesnt count what they can get from other nearby police forces, county cops, state patrol, etc.,so i wouldnt put much into it.

While that increases numbers quite a bit, it could decrease coordination quite a bit.

 

[Core Imposter]

The assassination attempt highlights the biggest danger we face with nuclear weapons and for that matter, bioweapons. The work gets repetitious and dulls the senses. Doesn't really matter where in the chain you are. The mind wanders, people are distracted, some people are not that bright. When something goes wrong, we say, "fix it so that it never happens again". But it always does. It is the human condition. Whatever calamity you can imagine. We have seen train derailments, covid, wars, IT disasters, etcetera. The list is endless. Most of the time, almost always, there is no conspiracy or divine cause. Stuff happens.

 

[Farm Boy]

While that increases numbers quite a bit, it could decrease coordination quite a bit.

Depends. The departments that work together are used to working together, unless it's new for whatever reason.

County fairs are pretty major events for local police. Structure fires will require neighboring volunteer forces to call up in order to cover for the volunteer district that is already deployed.

 

[Crezth]

The assassination attempt highlights the biggest danger we face with nuclear weapons and for that matter, bioweapons. The work gets repetitious and dulls the senses. Doesn't really matter where in the chain you are. The mind wanders, people are distracted, some people are not that bright. When something goes wrong, we say, "fix it so that it never happens again". But it always does. It is the human condition. Whatever calamity you can imagine. We have seen train derailments, covid, wars, IT disasters, etcetera. The list is endless. Most of the time, almost always, there is no conspiracy or divine cause. Stuff happens.

On the other hand, we control "stuff" up to 10,000 times a second in order to make your damn jet engines fly so you can get your damn Amazon delivery the day you order it. So there are such things as manmade miracles and the influence of things done correctly, and there's also the consequences of allowing everything to be owned by a small group of people whose only motivation or interest in maintaining it is to squeeze a little more marginal value out of it - despite not understanding what they are actually supposed to be doing. Then these guys build a bad airplane and it crashes. That's not random chance. That was a product of bad, irresponsible, or reckless decisions.

 

[Birdjaguar]

On the other hand, we control "stuff" up to 10,000 times a second in order to make your damn jet engines fly so you can get your damn Amazon delivery the day you order it. So there are such things as manmade miracles and the influence of things done correctly, and there's also the consequences of allowing everything to be owned by a small group of people whose only motivation or interest in maintaining it is to squeeze a little more marginal value out of it - despite not understanding what they are actually supposed to be doing. Then these guys build a bad airplane and it crashes. That's not random chance. That was a product of bad, irresponsible, or reckless decisions.

Many bad events are because of "bad, irresponsible, or reckless decisions." that people make. How many potential bad events might happen on a single day? How many do actually happen? How many outdoor political rallies/events have there been since 2016? How many assassinations attempted? How many make national news?

Clear and planned processes are much easier to control than one off events. When all the people involved are acquainted with the details and the steps, fewer bad thigs happen. New people, new places and quick turn around make everything harder. Active disrupters make it all worse. 100% uptime success protecting politicians is hard.

 

[Core Imposter]

Many bad events are because of "bad, irresponsible, or reckless decisions." that people make. How many potential bad events might happen on a single day? How many do actually happen? How many outdoor political rallies/events have there been since 2016? How many assassinations attempted? How many make national news?

Clear and planned processes are much easier to control than one off events. When all the people involved are acquainted with the details and the steps, fewer bad thigs happen. New people, new places and quick turn around make everything harder. Active disrupters make it all worse. 100% uptime success protecting politicians is hard.

What it brings to mind is AI and the predictions that in the future we won't have cars but rely instead on a public fleet of AI operated cars. I guess in the future the kind of campaign rallies we see now will all be virtual. Cheaper and safer. I don't look forward to it. The older I get the more I miss the past. YMMV.

 

[Farm Boy]

On the other hand, we control "stuff" up to 10,000 times a second in order to make your damn jet engines fly so you can get your damn Amazon delivery the day you order it. So there are such things as manmade miracles and the influence of things done correctly, and there's also the consequences of allowing everything to be owned by a small group of people whose only motivation or interest in maintaining it is to squeeze a little more marginal value out of it - despite not understanding what they are actually supposed to be doing. Then these guys build a bad airplane and it crashes. That's not random chance. That was a product of bad, irresponsible, or reckless decisions.

With accountability will come accountants.

 

[Crezth]

everyone who cares enough to take account, ultimately. And those whose job it is to care, proximally.

Many bad events are because of "bad, irresponsible, or reckless decisions." that people make. How many potential bad events might happen on a single day? How many do actually happen? How many outdoor political rallies/events have there been since 2016? How many assassinations attempted? How many make national news?

Clear and planned processes are much easier to control than one off events. When all the people involved are acquainted with the details and the steps, fewer bad thigs happen. New people, new places and quick turn around make everything harder. Active disrupters make it all worse. 100% uptime success protecting politicians is hard.

The point really is that it wasn’t nobody that pulled a trigger.