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UK Politics - Weeny, Weedy, Weaky

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Arakhor, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Fixed.
     
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  2. innonimatu

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    Blairism? Starmer has greater powers to serve. Blair was a tool, Starmer is set to be the new Blair. Too bad about Stewart, Boris just isn't reliable... but hey one out of two is a good score for the spooks right?
     
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  3. Arakhor

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    If that means that Labour will actually win elections again, I can't say I'm too offended by that.
     
  4. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    I've never understood why you insist on treating the security services like it is the 70s and 80s, with the Wilson Plots and the assassination of Olof Palme. MI5 couldn't stop Blair from lying the UK into a war the security services didn't want. MI6 doesn't seem to be in a much better place. What do you think kept Corbyn up at night - the fear of the Security Services, or the machinations of the City and their rent-a-gobs?
     
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  5. Takhisis

    Takhisis Free Hong Kong

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    That's because he's stuck in the '70s. He supports all nationalisms and anti-democracies whenever possible, as demonstrated by his simultaneous support for the British presence in the Falkland Islands and South American anti-imperialist nationalism.
     
  6. Kyriakos

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    Do you really think it is likely, though?
    If anything, Starmer will lose even worse, given he has no charisma (he is a poor man's Gordon Brown in that) and is heavy-handed in purging people.

    There were at least two great candidates for labour leader, both female. Instead you get Keir who no one wants to listen to and is apparently a douche as well.
     
  7. Lexicus

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    https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles...-color-unless-they-are-politically-to-my-left
     
  8. EnglishEdward

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    I had not previously come across the conspiracy theory that the UK security service assassinated the Prime Minister of Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Olof_Palme

    Please give us the full plot line!
    Were Roswell and Area 51 involved?


    I don't think that they opposed Tony Blair, merely did not want to be blamed for the big lie themselves.


    I think that dear Jeremy in general slept very well, something to do with a clear conscience.
    If he was concerned, it was probably justifiably about back stabbers in the Labour party.


    We have had two protracted party leadership elections in the UK recently.
    It has been quite tedious with a lot of false drama as it was pretty apparent
    from the outset who the winners (Boris Johnson, Keir Starmer) would be.

    Still England's not yet degenerated to the one party state, arresting the previous leader.
     
  9. Kyriakos

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    Didn't Blair claim that the british security services gave him information that Saddam had WMDs?
    I don't recall MI5-6 making any statements against Blair at the time. It was the usual charade.
     
  10. EnglishEdward

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    Af far as I can understand Tony Blair asked for evidence of WMDs. He was told there was none.
    He asked again and was told there was none. His PR put up Internet stories. He asked them to look
    for evidence. They did so, and a number of dubious sources decided to give them what they wanted.
    The intelligence analysts did not believe that evidence and it went up the chain heavily caveated.
    At the last moment, some one was persuaded to sex up the evidence by removing the caveats.
    The BBC got wind of this, but a kangaroo court was set up to sack that particular BBC employee.
    Now Tony Blair is by profession a lawyer, a barrister, and is trained to critically review evidence.
    Yet he was only too happy not to do so, no doubt correctly intuiting that close inspection would refute it.
    Instructing people to produce evidence favouring promises made to G Bush was commissioning lies.
     
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  11. Takhisis

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    tl;dr: Black people from the Caribbean move to the UK, have children, raise them in the UK, two of those children go to jail, then are to be deported to the country of birth of their parents because they were never made citizens, then we find out that one is to be sent to a country his parents don't come from because the names of those countries all look more or less the same.

    London-born twins face deportation to different countries
    Exclusive: Darrell and Darren Roberts face deportation to countries they have never visited

    Twins who were born in London and have never left the UK face deportation to different countries in the Caribbean where they have no close relatives, their families have told the Guardian.

    Darrell Roberts, 24, has been issued with a deportation notice informing him that the Home Office plans to send him to the Dominican Republic following a prison sentence, even though he has no connection with the country. He believes officials named it in error; his father was born on Dominica, another Caribbean island.

    Spoiler :
    His twin brother, Darren Roberts, has been warned he faces deportation to Grenada – the country where his mother was born – when he finishes his own jail sentence, according to his partner.

    The brothers were taken into the care of social services when they were 13 after the deaths from cancer in quick succession of their mother and later of the uncle who looked after them when she died. Their father had moved abroad before their mother’s death and they have had no contact with him for decades. Neither parent had British citizenship.

    The twins’ siblings have said they believe Ealing social services, in west London, was negligent for failing to organise citizenship when they were children.

    After an unhappy and disrupted time during their teenage years when the brothers were moved between a series of unsuccessful foster placements, Darrell was convicted of grievous bodily harm. He was a minor and still being looked after by the care system. His lawyer describes him as vulnerable because of his young age on conviction and his traumatic childhood. Towards the end of a six-year-sentence he has been served with a deportation notice.

    He says he was shocked to learn that he faces deportation. “It was heartbreaking. I’ve finished my sentence; I was expecting to be released,” he said, speaking from prison. He tried to explain to prison staff that he should not be deported.

    “It is mentally draining; the stress is unnecessary. I’ve got grey hairs and I’m only 24 years old.” He said prison staff laughed when he told them he was born in the UK and appeared not to believe him.

    The deportation notice states: “Our records show you have no legal status in the United Kingdom.” The home secretary has deemed “deportation to be conducive to the public good and accordingly it is in the public interest that you be removed from the United Kingdom without delay”, the letter reads.

    Darrell Roberts was also offered a grant to allow him to “return home” under the facilitated return scheme, with a reintegration package worth £1,500 if he agrees to repatriation. “I told them I was born here that I’d been in primary school and secondary school here. They weren’t sympathetic. When I’ve tried talking to officers they say it is out of their control,” he said.

    The Home Office automatically issues a deportation notice to anyone without citizenship who has been convicted of a reasonably serious offence with a custodial sentence of more than 12 months. British citizenship has a good character requirement, which will not be met if an applicant has been sentenced to a long prison term, even if they were UK-born. There are no figures for the number of people born in this country who are deported annually.

    Darrell’s twin brother remains in prison for a separate offence of grievous bodily harm. Darren’s partner, who asked not to be named, said he had spoken to her twice about his concerns after being informed he faced deportation. He told her about six months ago that prison staff had warned him he would be sent to Grenada at the end of his prison term.

    The couple have a five-year-old son together, also born in London. “He said it didn’t make sense, and asked me to make arrangements to bring our son to visit him. He was shocked,” she said. A Home Office spokesperson said no deportation notice had been issued yet, but letters were generally sent out towards the end of a sentence.

    Although prisoners can appeal against deportation orders, there are limited grounds for appeal for those sentenced to more than four years.

    The twins’ younger sister, Freya Valie Roberts, a student at Bristol university, said: “Darrell and Darren’s plight highlights the systemic racism built into our institutions in Britain … During their time in care the social care system neglected their duty in nationalising the boys. Me and my siblings are their closest immediate family. Removing them from their home would be splitting them from the only family they have.”

    The family was dismayed by the Home Office’s apparent error in the proposed destination for deportation. Darrell Roberts’ immigration lawyer, Syed Naqvi, partner at ITN solicitors, said: “The Home Office’s caseworker does not seem to appreciate that Dominica and the Dominican Republic are two different countries.”

    Naqvi added: “The Home Office’s attempt to deport in this case is a simplistic response to a very complex set of circumstances. Darrell is a vulnerable adult who was born in the UK and has lived his entire life in the UK. He had an extremely traumatic childhood: he lost his mother at a young age, he then spent a considerable part of his childhood in social care and was let down by a dysfunctional social care system.”

    Andrew Sperling, the managing director of SL5 Legal, Darrell’s prisons lawyer, said: “It is so cruel and unjust that two young men who spent most of their childhood in care should be treated like this. I’m not easily shocked but I have found this case so shocking.”

    Children born in the UK are eligible for citizenship but there is an application process, with attached costs that have risen dramatically over the past 20 years. The Project for the Registration of Children as British Citizens has highlighted the problems faced by people who were born in the UK, or brought here as young children, but whose guardians have not applied for citizenship for them; they are unable to apply for university loans and, if they commit a serious offence, they face deportation.

    Celia Clarke, the director of Bail for Immigration Detainees, said: “Having been in care during childhood, social services should have ensured they became British citizens, to which they were entitled. It is quite appalling that the Home Office should be taking deportation action, resulting in them being torn from the only home they know to find their way in a totally foreign country when they have lived here all their lives. The automatic deportation regime is callous, cruel and needs to be ended.”

    A spokesperson for Ealing council said attempts had been made to help the twins naturalise. “Ealing council’s children’s services have repeatedly engaged with both Darren and Darrell, their solicitors and the prison services to provide all documentation to allow them to apply for immigration status, in Darrell’s case as recently as May 2020, but neither of the young men signed the documentation to allow it to be progressed.”

    The council said it would continue to try to help with this as part of their leaving care services, until the twins turn 25 later this year. The process is unlikely to be straightforward, however, because of the good character test.

    A Home Office spokesperson said: “Prisoners who are served with a deportation notice are given the opportunity to provide reasons why they should be exempt from deportation. All representations made will be carefully considered before any action is taken.”
     
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  12. Ajidica

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    Sorry if I was unclear. I was using the Wilson Plots and the Assassination of Palme as examples from the 70s and 80s of concerns people had about security services gone rogue. I was not trying to imply British Security Services were behind the assassination of Palme. MI5 was too busy snooping on CND and covering up pedophiles in Northern Ireland.
     
  13. Kyriakos

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    Hopefully Borjo's father won't spread Covid in Thessaly...



    Apparently he says that it was legal to come here, cause the flight restriction was only for flights from Britain, so coming from somewhere else negates that.

    I am disappointed. We should import more sick northern euros.
     
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    Please do. I can think of quite a few others I'd be happy to send your way.
     
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    Happy to leave that one to the lawyers.

    Boris's father' opinion is irrelevant. If the Greek authorities admitted him at the border, that was their decision.
     
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  16. Kyriakos

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    He isn't exactly a celebrity here... Borjo senior came from Bulgaria, which apparently has no travel ban.
    Not that I would be surprised if they would still allow him in if they knew - then again I wasn't even aware of a ban on british travelers from Greece.

    Going by the video he has bought a villa and is preparing it for the rest of the family johnsons.
     
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    It's very funny which things you choose to have an opinion on, and which you leave to be legally proven by outside parties :D
     
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    He has owned the villa for years and rents it out to tourists when the family isn't using it.
    His excuse for the trip is that he is making it covid-19 ready for visitors when (if?) Greece is open to travel from the UK.
     
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    Do look in the mirror. You have not expressed your opinion on that here either.
     
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    Well, in fairness to you, both stances are an opinion, so that was poor phrasing on my part. But your "mirror" comment doesn't mean anything. I'm not the one who expresses leaving certain things to the law, and then coming out in defense of other things when appropriate.

    For example, if Cummings was held to the law, he would've been at the very least fined. There are other examples I'm sure, but that was the first one that popped into my head.
     

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