UK Politics - Weeny, Weedy, Weaky

[Zardnaar]

Andrea Leadsom of all people has called for a more proportional electoral system to unblock the current logjam.

It could be a good idea for the Tories to rid themselves of the difficult wing of the party and pitch for the centre.

It always struck me as odd that say UKIP gained a similar number of votes nationally as the SNP and lib dems put together but got no seats while the SNP votes being concentrated could win most seats in Scotland.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...al-representation-voting-system-speech-brexit

Both major parties voted for proportional representation when they both screwed up and had party membership plummet.

That's when funding from previous party members vs corporate/public purse mattered.
The right went down the neo liberal path and the left kinda just imploded.

 

[Arakhor]

That's Amber Rudd, not Andrea Leadsom. It now matters to her, of course, now that she's potentially running as an independent.

 

[EnglishEdward]

The party "The Liberal Democrats" are to the right of Jeremy Corbyn, but a bit to the left of Tony Blair. I guess this makes them centrist, but I never really know these days what these words really mean.

In the context of the Liberal democrats, I think centralist means Revoke Article 50 and enjoy central rule from Brussels.

 

[Arakhor]

You're a laugh-a-minute, Edward. Maybe you should write a comic dictionary about all your amusing reinterpretations of simple English words.

 

[AmazonQueen]

The party "The Liberal Democrats" are to the right of Jeremy Corbyn, but a bit to the left of Tony Blair. I guess this makes them centrist, but I never really know these days what these words really mean.

Under Clegg they supported austerity and Swinson was a minister from 2012-2015. To my mind that makes them to the right of Blair on economics at least.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Under Clegg they supported austerity and Swinson was a minister from 2012-2015. To my mind that makes them to the right of Blair on economics at least.

This is my opinion too.

The Liberal Democrats are also internationalists in that they insisted on increasing UK
oversea aid to some unaffordable UN target that no other comparable country meets.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Rape prosecutions in England and Wales at lowest level in a decade

https://www.theguardian.com/law/201...england-and-wales-at-lowest-level-in-a-decade

Rape charges, prosecutions and convictions in England and Wales have fallen to their lowest levels in more than a decade.

The steep decline comes despite the number of rapes the police record more than doubling over six years to 58,657 in 2018.

Figures released by the Crown Prosecution Service show the number of convictions fell by 26% from 2,635 in 2017-18 to
1,925 in 2018-19. The number of prosecutions completed fell by 33% from 4,517 to 3,034, and the number of cases charged
by the CPS declined by 38% to 1,758.

Wheels clearly coming off the bus in EU NW2B&C

 

[Samson]

Wheels clearly coming off the bus in EU NW2B&C

NW2B&C? It is really close to a Googlewhackblatt, it has exactly 2 hits for me but seems to refer to some form of female clothing so I will not post the image.

 

[Gorbles]

Imagine blaming the state of local services and government funding on the EU, lmao.

 

[EnglishEdward]

NW2B&C? It is really close to a Googlewhackblatt, it has exactly 2 hits for me but seems to refer to some form of female clothing so I will not post the image.

It is a post code.

Ireland is EU NW1A and EU NW1B

Scotland is EU NW2A

Wales is EU NW2B

England is EU NW2C

 

[Senethro]

This is my opinion too.

The Liberal Democrats are also internationalists in that they insisted on increasing UK
oversea aid to some unaffordable UN target that no other comparable country meets.

This gives me the same creep chills as those guys who insist we should do nothing on climate change until Those People get their population under control.

 

[Takhisis]

Blair didn't have any resignation honours and I'm not sure that Brown did either. Cameron (of course) revived them and May followed suit, despite previously saying that some of Cameron's had made her physically retch.

The only real reason why Blair didn't have those honours is, as is pointed out in one of the Graun's articles, because there was an ongoing scandal regarding money for peerages at the time.

Lets never forget that there are two simultaneous crises in the UK. Brexit being the obvious one, and austerity policy being the other.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/201...england-and-wales-at-lowest-level-in-a-decade

Services and institutions are being damaged to the point of uselessness.

That's not a bug but a feature.

Amber Rudd (not Andrea Leadsom as i posted earlier) has called for a more proportional electoral system to unblock the current logjam.

It could be a good idea for the Tories to rid themselves of the difficult wing of the party and pitch for the centre.

It always struck me as odd that say UKIP gained a similar number of votes nationally as the SNP and lib dems put together but got no seats while the SNP votes being concentrated could win most seats in Scotland.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...al-representation-voting-system-speech-brexit

That's one of the many results of unicameralism. Well, the UK has only the one elected House of Commons, so in the electoral sense it's a unicameral system.

 

[Chukchi Husky]

Lets never forget that there are two simultaneous crises in the UK. Brexit being the obvious one, and austerity policy being the other.

I was told about a month ago the reason for austerity and I don't know if it's true anymore. The reason for austerity is because Labour spent all of the country's money, including selling off all the gold and austerity is needed so that the country can get that money back. Every time a Labour government is in power they always end up ruining the country and a Conservative government is needed for the country to recover. Even now they say the country hasn't recovered from the last time Labour was in power, including from when Labour was in power during the seventies.

 

[Yeekim]

Even now they say the country hasn't recovered from the last time Labour was in power, including from when Labour was in power during the seventies.

Yeah - the country recovered relatively fast after both World Wars, but I really doubt you guys will ever really recover from when Labor was in power during the seventies.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I was told about a month ago the reason for austerity and I don't know if it's true anymore. The reason for austerity is because Labour spent all of the country's money, including selling off all the gold and austerity is needed so that the country can get that money back. Every time a Labour government is in power they always end up ruining the country and a Conservative government is needed for the country to recover. Even now they say the country hasn't recovered from the last time Labour was in power, including from when Labour was in power during the seventies.

Your friends have a strange idea of recovery.
But if recovery means running down hospitals and schools, and cutting taxes for corporations and the rich the Tories can be relied on to go for it every time.

 

[Chukchi Husky]

They have said that the NHS should be ended because the country doesn't have enough money, schools should be voluntary, universities should be closed and that taxes for the rich and for corporations should be as low as possible, otherwise the rich and the corporations will leave the country.

 

[AmazonQueen]

They have said that the NHS should be ended because the country doesn't have enough money, schools should be voluntary, universities should be closed and that taxes for the rich and for corporations should be as low as possible, otherwise the rich and the corporations will leave the country.

They are talking nonsense. Still if they had their way the rich might as well leave since they wouldn't be contributing. Businesses tend to go where their customers are.

 

[Takhisis]

The rich corporations? Leave a market of 60 million people? Never!

 

[Ajidica]

I was told about a month ago the reason for austerity and I don't know if it's true anymore. The reason for austerity is because Labour spent all of the country's money, including selling off all the gold and austerity is needed so that the country can get that money back. Every time a Labour government is in power they always end up ruining the country and a Conservative government is needed for the country to recover. Even now they say the country hasn't recovered from the last time Labour was in power, including from when Labour was in power during the seventies.

We've been over this any number of times.
If you are interested, a good overview of 20th Century British History can be found in Trevor Lloyd's Empire, Welfare State, Europe. You can get it on Amazon for a couple dollars.
As I'm sure you know, after WW2 Labour implemented massive welfare state reforms and continued some of the wartime economic planning. Churchill largely kept Labour's welfare state reforms and they were largely embraced -specifically the One Nation economic planning- by Macmillan (who referred to Britons "never having it so good"). Heath conceptually was sympathetic to European social democracy and economic planning, but unfortunately knew nothing about economic policy and embarked on some terrible 'stop-go' economic planning where interest would be jacked up at the slightest hint of inflation, and then dropped low once an economic slowdown looked imminent. Add into that Heath's embrace of Competition and Credit Control. Heath had hoped it would allow firms to borrow more money to engage in industrial development, but the banks ended up funneling money either into the overseas market, speculative bubbles, and consumer borrowing. Before ending CCC Heath remarked to an aide that he had hoped British banks would be more patriotic and lend to industry instead of frittering money away.
Then, of course, you got Maggie Thatcher trying to destroy entire communities because they had the audacity to defend their rights and in the view of the Tory far-right were 'subversives'. Looking back, even Norman Tebbit has remarked that Thatcher went too far in breaking the unions and the subsequent de-industrialization of much of the north of England.

Yeah - the country recovered relatively fast after both World Wars, but I really doubt you guys will ever really recover from when Labor was in power during the seventies.

Not sure if serious or just trolling.....

 

[innonimatu]

Yeah - the country recovered relatively fast after both World Wars, but I really doubt you guys will ever really recover from when Labor was in power during the seventies.

Labour made Nixon reorder the world's monetary system, the arabs and israelis get at it again, the oil shock and the generalized world economic crisis of the 70s. That's a mighty party!

What some people claim...