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Ukraine sold to Russia?

I'm not saying Russia looks completely innocent in this conflict. But government officials never threatened to close gas supply if Ukraine signs a deal with EU (it would shut down some EU customers as well) or partition Ukraine (how Russia suppose to do that without invasion, anyway?). If you show me the quotes of such threats, I will admit I am wrong.
I don't know about such a shut-down. But trade penalties already were enacted to increase pressure. Suddenly certain Ukrainian products weren't fit for the Russian market anymore because of "health concerns". Products incidentally owned by two Ukrainian oligarchs who have significant political influence. In another instance, customs rules were suddenly changed, creating a lot of trade disturbance.
My source is the latest Der Spiegel.
It seems Putin is doing everything he can to keep Ukraine from signing that EU contract short of things which would be so obvious that nobody could deny him being the aggressor, like an actual full embargo or military actions or a complete shut-down of gas. Though if he did threaten the gas-shut-down, that line is already crossed and what line is left is "official" institutionalize aggression.
 
taking this video so seriously

The fact that I wrote about "Sergey Pioneerov" should tell you, that I do not take this video entirely seriously. :)

But perhaps you did not get this joke, you don't know any of these jokes about Russian inventors (radio = Vladimir Radiov; car = Mikhail Carov, etc.)?

However, no matter who made this video or how unserious it is - there are also some interesting parts of it (if they are true).

It is not exactly an unknown fact to me, that many inventions are commonly attributed to people who patented them, rather than to real inventors.

Not to mention that most inventions were in fact invented by many (not just one) people who contributed - or in many parts of the world at the same time.

I used to be interested in history of various inventions and I've read quite a lot about this so I know controversies about people like for example Edison.

Edison was not really an inventor, but rather a businessman who employed people who invented things for him, then he patented those things.

This video is made by schizophrenic near-Neo-Nazists.

Really? :confused: I'm struggling to see any similarities of world-view of guys who made this video with world-view of Nazis.

If anything, they have the opposite world-view to that of Nazis, since Nazis considered Russians as sub-humans.

And something tells me the reason for both is Slavic version of White racism

The utterly rubbish claim in this video that Russians are responsible for 80% of all important human inventions can indeed be motivated by racism.

But when watching such videos you should be capable of extracting facts from rubbish.

Facts are that all inventions mentioned in this video are surely not even nearly 80% of all important inventions, but maybe a few % at best.
 
Sorry. I don't subscribe at all to that absurd notion. Again, the Cold War is over and it has been for more than 2 decades now.

But I do find your strawman about how you think I would react to some incredibly bad Red Dawn Hollywood remake to be quite revealing.

Be sure to let is all know when even a Ukrainian tank is used against the protesters, much less a Russian one.

Well you keep babbling about how Western politicians who dare criticize Russia are "Cold Warriors" or at least try to restart Cold War.

I hear NO CRITICISM OF RUSSIA WHAT-SO-EVER from you when it does clearly Cold War-style gestures (usually because it is lead by an attention-whore regime). So I am asking, what would Russia have to do for you to raise an objection. Estonia is clearly too insignificant for you, so what about Poland? Would that be bad enough for you to voice your displeasure, or would that be okay if Russia did it?

This is my signature now! Winner, yours lost to this one!

I am devastated.
 
So they've threaten Ukraine with a better deal?

I admit now I was wrong, that is a REAL and serious THREAT! A threat to... Ukr the Western... ughm... economic security! And it is very undiplomatic move, as always!

That's what you've been talking about, Takhisis? :lol:
 
It was never about how wrong it is to have a better deal between Russia and Ukraine. It is the fact, what Putin expects in exchange for this better deal and that is quite worrisome. But you were told this for like 10 times already, yet it seems you are still unable to comprehend it.
 
Oh this crafty Putin! Not just he threatens you with a deal, but when you talked through the mutual obligations he tells you all of a sudden: "So what will you give for this deal, pal? :smug:" !!

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But when watching such videos you should be capable of extracting facts from rubbish.

There's one fact here: you should not watch such rubbish videos if mental hygiene means something to you. There are other, reliable sources.

Really? I'm struggling to see any similarities of world-view of guys who made this video with world-view of Nazis.

Well, you are either naive, or one of them. And I don't want to get into particulars here in any way, because this kind of content is just not worth it.
 
you should not watch such rubbish videos if mental hygiene means something to you.

If "censorship mentality" means something to you, you should stop avoiding contents but rather learn to filtrate them. This is how you can learn the ability of criticism and scepticism - two skills that many Russians apparently still lack, since they so often believe in propaganda of their authorities.
 
If "censorship mentality" means something to you, you should stop avoiding contents but rather learn to filtrate them. This is how you can learn the ability of criticism and scepticism - two skills that many Russians apparently still lack, since they so often believe in propaganda of their authorities.

This is actually how I see it - People like Aleksey-Olek-Alexander :D are blinded by authorities ;) Sorry Olek but that is how I see it - feel free to disagree ;)
 
Oh, frack, now there are two of you...

Come on! What are you defending here throwing rocks at Russia, a video made by Russian racists in which they tell that 80% of world inventions were made by "Ruses" and call this guy a scientist?

I knew Poles are lame, but this is something... :crazyeye:

If "censorship mentality" means something to you, you should stop avoiding contents but rather learn to filtrate them.

Well, I'd give you a link to a German zoophilist porn video with a horse so you could learn an interesting fact about male horses (filtrating everything else, of course), but I am afraid the evil capitalist censorship here is thorough in pursuing mental cleanliness and they would repress me.

Russians apparently still lack, since they so often believe in propaganda of their authorities

Appropriate censorship and responsibility in the media was one of the things which are so great about Soviet Union. People could trust mass media. Nowadays older people have not accommodated themselves to this new kind of media controlled by liberals and capital, totally irresponsible, so many of them are very susceptible to unreliable information. I know you will pervert what I am trying to tell here.

I wonder what science would be like, if they applied the same liberal principles to it they do to the media.
 
Well I can certainly agree to Genius of Russia for bringing pencil into the space instead of a pan ... but Russia is somehow close to my heart and I can't help it but to like Russia. Russia is cool :) Not like the stuffy Americans - that is my opinion hehe ;) Nevertheless !!! I very much like Americans too ! They are cool and awesome too ! Why can't we live in peace ???
 
I hear NO CRITICISM OF RUSSIA WHAT-SO-EVER from you when it does clearly Cold War-style gestures (usually because it is lead by an attention-whore regime). So I am asking, what would Russia have to do for you to raise an objection. Estonia is clearly too insignificant for you, so what about Poland? Would that be bad enough for you to voice your displeasure, or would that be okay if Russia did it?.
Well, excuse me for not stating the obvious. That while Russia's paranoia in this regard certainly isn't any better than the paranoia of the far-right authoritarians, at least it is somewhat understandable given the history and the current circumstances. Take those who absurdly claim they might invade Ukraine, Estonia, or Poland, for example. :crazyeye:
 
Well, excuse me for not stating the obvious. That while Russia's paranoia in this regard certainly isn't any better than the paranoia of the far-right authoritarians, at least it is somewhat understandable given the history and the current circumstances. Take those who absurdly claim they might invade Ukraine, Estonia, or Poland, for example. :crazyeye:

Like who? Or don't you understand the concept of a rhetorical question? :crazyeye:

Anyway, so according to you as quoted above, Russia is allowed to act as if the cold war was still on (because of, uh, history), but the West is forever banned from responding to the Russian cold war-esque moves.

*cough hypocrisy *cough
 
What exactly are you people even arguing about by now?

I do not know exactly but I think that Aleksey is trying to say that Forum was invented by Russian scientist "Forumov" :D
 
Why does Ukraine have so many revolutions?

Dec 15th 2013, 23:50 by A.M.

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TO the casual observer, it might seem as if Ukrainians are permanently in revolt. Huge street protests in 2004-5, known as the orange revolution, led to the overturning of a rigged election result and the installation of leaders who promised cleaner, better government. Now hundreds of thousands of people have again taken to the streets of Kiev and other cities, demanding, well, a new election and cleaner government (among other things). There were big protests in the years before the orange revolution, and have been regular street eruptions between it and the current bout. What is Ukraine’s problem?

For some outsiders (especially in Russia), the problem is Ukraine itself. It was a constituent republic of the Soviet Union (suffering terribly in famine, purges and war), coming into being as an independent nation only in 1991; before then it had existed as a country of sorts only for a brief spell after the Russian Revolution. The lands that now constitute Ukraine had previously been carved up between Russia, Poland, the Austro-Hungary empire, the Duchy of Lithuania and the Crimean Khanate. This splintered history, the theory goes, means that Ukraine is an artificial creation rather than a natural, coherent state. And indeed there are big cultural and political divisions among its people, in particular between the Ukrainian-speaking west and the mostly Russian-speaking south and east (also the country’s most heavily industrialised regions). Fierce rows occasionally erupt about the official status and usage of the two languages. Political allegiances seem to be contiguous with this division: at the presidential election of 2010, the south and east mostly voted for President Viktor Yanukovych, while the west (and Kiev, the capital), plumped for Yulia Tymoshenko, who was subsequently imprisoned on what many people see as bogus charges. Even today, despite his manifold failings, such as locking up his opponents and rampant cronyism, Mr Yanukovych retains considerable support in his industrial heartland.

The interventions of outside powers seem to reflect and reinforce this sense of a hopelessly divided identity. Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, had tried to entice and bully Ukraine into joining a new Russian-led customs union, regarding the country as an integral part of Russia’s sphere of influence. The European Union, meanwhile, had hoped to sign a trade agreement with Ukraine last month. Mr Yanukovych’s decision to reject the EU deal was the spark of the latest protest. Russia’s state-controlled media portrays the demonstrations as the result of Western scheming. That is dishonest: they have been indigenous and spontaneous, even if Western diplomats have been sympathetic to their aims.

So Ukraine is a complex, even fragile country. But for all that, the basic cause of its periodic revolutions is simpler: corruption and bad government. That Ukraine has been badly run in its two decades of independence is beyond dispute. The OSCE and other reputable observers have repeatedly been critical of the conduct of Ukrainian elections. European officials have lambasted the country’s judicial system. Transparency International, a watchdog, says corruption in Ukraine is bad and deteriorating, because of “protectionism and the fusion of political and business interests”. It ranks Ukraine 144th in cleanliness out of the 177 countries it surveys. The economy is in a parlous condition, and urgently in need of loans from the International Monetary Fund or others. The Rada, Ukraine’s parliament, is a zoo of catcalling and fisticuffs. The current uprising seems inspired by affection for the EU, but only because, to the protesters, it represents the goal of sounder government.

These problems—corruption, oligarch-dominated politics and business, dodgy elections—suggest a family resemblance between Ukraine and other post-Soviet states. In several of them (Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan spring to mind) corrupt elites took control of the machinery of state in the 1990s and have proven difficult to dislodge. Thus, in a way, Ukraine’s revolutions should probably be seen as a bid to shake off the mindset and legacy of the Soviet empire: a final battle that has yet to be won.

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I do not know exactly but I think that Aleksey is trying to say that Forum was invented by Russian scientist "Forumov" :D
Not sure, but I am positive that x-rays were invented by tsar Ivan Groznyi, reputed to have said: "[redacted for language], boyars, I can see straight through you!"
 
So Ukraine is the Slavic Belgium?
 
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