Unemployed? Don't bother applying.

[Murky]

To the OP

This is occurring b/c overwhelmed HR departments are getting a hundred applications for 1 position. Most companies can't afford to interview 100 people for 1 position (heck, the government can't even do that).

Thus, certain criteria are used to shorten the list. Yes, it stinks. But what's the alternative?



Not exactly devil's advocate, but wiping out bad debt without doing something that caused the underlying problem smacks to me of just taking sudafed to mask a cold.

Well, of course you would need to deal with the underlying causes. Rewarding those responsible with bailout bonuses doesn't seemed to have helped much though.

 

[Maaximillus]

I'm not saying you are lieing, its just you aren't the most objective person considering you lump socialism in with fascism and call it authoritarian freedom-hating collectivism, so I would appreciate another persons opinion.

Actually that is mostly statistically right. Take the oblivious opinions out and its pretty much true. Only part which seems wrong is the unemployment rate which is officially about 9%. Still quite low.

About the political part, yes the coming elections will be interesting. The once icky nationalist-populist party has already over 10% support and is still growing fueled by "failed" (depends on point of view) immigration policy and massive loans Finland gives to EU/Greece/PIIGS. At the same time the major parties are still suffering from the last years corruption crisis. It will be interesting indeed.

 

[Ajidica]

So Finland, not a major economic power by any means, is doing fairly well for itself?
How comparable is Finlands economy to say, Greece or other Eastern European countries that are currently sucking with the global recession.

 

[Maaximillus]

So Finland, not a major economic power by any means, is doing fairly well for itself?
How comparable is Finlands economy to say, Greece or other Eastern European countries that are currently sucking with the global recession.

The difference? Finland can take more loans. The explosion of unemployment was avoided by massive stimulus to construct sector and some other industries. Finland is loaning atm more than most countries in Europe (when compared to GDP).

That is the official calculation of ministry of finance of Finland.

 

[Earthling]

You want alternatives? How about, remove from the shortlist any women of birthing age? Afterall, we don't want them giving birth and taking a year's maternity leave as soon as they join! Or how about ruling out the gays? You know, it might be disruptive to the other workers to have gays working amongst us. Or what about the elderly? We can't have them leeching money from the company health insurance scheme, what with their kidney failures and hip replacements. Or the young - my, why would I want to hire those irresponsible hooligans! Or the blacks - 3 times more likely to be convicted of a crime, 10 times more likely to go to jail...

A lot of most of those forms of discrimination do still occur in the US, y'know. Not explicitly because much of that may be illegal but it still happens. (Studies showing women, minorities etc... less likely to be offered interviews or jobs)

 

[illram]

Recruiters & headhunters are evil, soul sucking people and this does not surprise me.

 

[Murky]

Some are also discriminating against people with bad credit scores. There's no law against it, but it seems a tad bit unethical to me.

 

[dot]

I hear you Euro-commies have lower unemployment and higher economic growth in Germany than in the United States, do you want to marry me so I can get a job o'er there?[....]

Ah, well, you know Wynnie, I'm all for gay marriage. But not just for getting-you-over-here's sake. So, that's a no.
Howsoever I'd be more than pleased to welcome you and meet up with you if you ever come over again.

 

[Mise]

A lot of most of those forms of discrimination do still occur in the US, y'know. Not explicitly because much of that may be illegal but it still happens. (Studies showing women, minorities etc... less likely to be offered interviews or jobs)

Yeah, it sucks. At least most of those things are illegal though.

 

[JerichoHill]

You want alternatives? How about, remove from the shortlist any women of birthing age? Afterall, we don't want them giving birth and taking a year's maternity leave as soon as they join! Or how about ruling out the gays? You know, it might be disruptive to the other workers to have gays working amongst us. Or what about the elderly? We can't have them leeching money from the company health insurance scheme, what with their kidney failures and hip replacements. Or the young - my, why would I want to hire those irresponsible hooligans! Or the blacks - 3 times more likely to be convicted of a crime, 10 times more likely to go to jail...

There you go, 5 more completely rational, logical alternatives to discriminating based on employment status...

Seriously, what is the logic here? There are 100 qualified, experienced candidates for a position, but only 10 can apply -- so it's perfectly acceptable to whittle down the list using spurious pseudo-proxies for "employability" that are completely discriminatory and unjust? It makes no sense why anyone would support this being legal (barring, of course, those genetically predisposed to supporting completely irrational and unethical employment practices in the name of capitalism and "freedom"). We have labour laws for a reason!

The alternative is to make all 100 apply when in practical terms we know only 10 have a shot

We already discriminate based on whether someone has a silly piece of paper.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Some are also discriminating against people with bad credit scores. There's no law against it, but it seems a tad bit unethical to me.

Umm... No its not.

A bad credit score is entirely your own fault, therefore, it isn't unethical at all.

As opposed to say, discrimination based on race, which is entirely not under someone's control and entirely evil, but still should be allowed because of private property rights.

 

[Adrogans]

me too. Though I'm not sure how much longer I'll have a job. People are starting to consider leaving my city (due to unemployment stuck around 15%). It could become the next Detroit. If that happens the place where I work could close down. Which of course would result in me being laid off.

My city is the new Detroit.

Umm... No its not.

A bad credit score is entirely your own fault, therefore, it isn't unethical at all.

As opposed to say, discrimination based on race, which is entirely not under someone's control and entirely evil, but still should be allowed because of private property rights.

No it isn't always. You do realize that when anyone checks your credit score it gets lowered? You also realize there are stolen identities out there and it can take years to clear that off your score? And while you are doing that all the legitmate things you have see your poor credit score and up their rates on you?

There are plenty of ways to have a negative credit score and not all of them are caused by the individual in question.

So while yes most people who have a poor credit score caused it to themseves not all, not all by a long shot.

Nevermind the whole credit score system is crock of crap anyway and needs to be regulated.

 

[JerichoHill]

On the bad credit score

This will greatly hurt you if you are applying for a government position that requires a clearance. Why? Because if you have financial difficulties studies show you're much more susceptible to a bribe(or owing the wrong person money). And you'll lose your clearance if you have difficulty while on the job for the same reason.

Admitting to past drug use doesn't harm you on the security check, if that is of interest. There, what matters is that you are currently and forever after, clean. "Most secret +" HR departments expect marijuana usage , so that's not even close to a ding. Alcohol abuse gets you a much worse negative mark.

So basically, if you want to get in to be interviewed by a US government hiring official for any clearance job (which are most).

a) Don't have bad credit
b) Do not lie about past drug usage.
c) Do not lie, period.

I have had friends who lied about some things on their apps, and at various points in the hiring process these were found out and offers rescinded. These same friends advised me to not disclose a short time when I smoked pot in college. I instead told the truth. I got hired. They didn't.

(I had sterling credit too).

@Dist

No discrimination based on race falls under equal protection, and clearly is a right held in the constitution.

 

[GenMarshall]

This is BLANTANT discrimination against the unemployed!!!!

Where's my "Hitler finds out" meme?!

 

[wolfigor]

I don't know how exactly it is in Denmark, but Norway is doing great. Low unemployment, lots to do, everything is basically fine.

Sweden on the other hand seems to have a bit higher unemployment. So much so, that those poor Eastern Europeans who come to our countries and "take our jobs"? In Norway they're mostly Swedish.

I should use this with my Swedish colleagues

 

[Mise]

The alternative is to make all 100 apply when in practical terms we know only 10 have a shot

We already discriminate based on whether someone has a silly piece of paper.

So it's okay to discriminate based on gender, sexuality, age and race, as long as there are far too many applicants per job? It's just so darn difficult for those HR departments to handle all those equality laws these days! Just because it's difficult for HR departments to avoid discriminating based on gender, sexuality, age, race, and unemployment doesn't mean they should be excused from doing it...

 

[El_Machinae]

When I studied in Alberta, it was against the law to discriminate based on 'source of income*' when hiring or providing services.

*as long as the source was legal.

 

[Shadylookin]

Anyone in a job is better off then someone on unemployment. There is some that hold out for a time when the only jobs that are available are well below their skill level. But that's short term.

Not really. A job requires you to show up and work. For those on the lower end of the spectrum a number of them would rather just make the small amount less on unemployment and do nothing all day. For some people once you factor in transportation costs I bet they're actually making more money.

 

[emzie]

On the bad credit score

This will greatly hurt you if you are applying for a government position that requires a clearance. Why? Because if you have financial difficulties studies show you're much more susceptible to a bribe(or owing the wrong person money). And you'll lose your clearance if you have difficulty while on the job for the same reason.

That's relevant to most jobs, I'd think. Maybe not bribes, but theft, surely.

No discrimination based on race falls under equal protection, and clearly is a right held in the constitution.

The 14th is unconstitutional, duh.

 

[Traitorfish]

Not really. A job requires you to show up and work. For those on the lower end of the spectrum a number of them would rather just make the small amount less on unemployment and do nothing all day. For some people once you factor in transportation costs I bet they're actually making more money.

It must be odd to live in a country with such abundant and endless benefits. In the UK, it takes me less a single day to surpass what I would receive on benefits, and with no threat of the freezing of payments.