Weed?

[Hygro]

WHO ARE THE EXPERTS ZARDNAAR

 

[Zardnaar]

WHO ARE THE EXPERTS ZARDNAAR

When it comes to medication doctors for the most part.

 

[PhroX]

It's been a while since I looked into it, and I don't have any sources off the top of my head, but from what I remember reading, smoking weed can provide relief for chronic pain, but outside of that, the medicinal benefits are limited and very overblown by supporters. Medicines derived from cannabis are a lot more promising for a wider range of conditions and in many places research into these is negatively impacted by prohibition, but that's different from just smoking it.

That said, I'm fully in favour of legalisation. Regulate and tax it the way we do tobacco, but if people want to consume weed, then I don't really see any reason not to let them, even if it's not something I'm interested in (I have tried it but didn't enjoy it).

 

[Zardnaar]

It's been a while since I looked into it, and I don't have any sources off the top of my head, but from what I remember reading, smoking weed can provide relief for chronic pain, but outside of that, the medicinal benefits are limited and very overblown by supporters. Medicines derived from cannabis are a lot more promising for a wider range of conditions and in many places research into these is negatively impacted by prohibition, but that's different from just smoking it.

That said, I'm fully in favour of legalisation. Regulate and tax it the way we do tobacco, but if people want to consume weed, then I don't really see any reason not to let them, even if it's not something I'm interested in (I have tried it but didn't enjoy it).

Yep it's got some pain relief properties anything else is usually overblown.

 

[Hygro]

When it comes to medication doctors for the most part.

Which doctors have scientific knowledge of the medical effects of marijuana?

 

[Snerk]

Definitely legalise.

Although there are different ways to do so. I do not support fully giving it over to the free market. Part of the reason I want legalisation is more control over distribution. As in age limits, and control over sales, content and production. Today in Norway, organised crime has monopoly on sales and it's generating extreme revenues for them. A state run outlet like we do with wine/liquor would be much better than today's completely unregulated weed market. It would also generate much wanted tax revenues and we could stop spending absurd amounts of money on a war that ruins lives and will never be won.

Yes cannabis can definitely have a negative impact on a minority of users. However criminalising the users while keeping the market unregulated, solves exactly none of these problems.

In other news Germany's new government is set on legalisation and controlled distribution. This will probably have a big impact on the rest of Europe were more and more people are growing tired over a failed and pointless drug war.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/24/world/europe/german-government-cannabis.html

 

[Zardnaar]

Definitely legalise.

Although there are different ways to do so. I do not support fully giving it over to the free market. Part of the reason I want legalisation is more control over distribution. As in age limits, and control over sales, content and production. Today in Norway, organised crime has monopoly on sales and it's generating extreme revenues for them. A state run outlet like we do with wine/liquor would be much better than today's completely unregulated weed market. It would also generate much wanted tax revenues and we could stop spending absurd amounts of money on a war that ruins lives and will never be won.

Yes cannabis can definitely have a negative impact on a minority of users. However criminalising the users while keeping the market unregulated, solves exactly none of these problems.

In other news Germany's new government is set on legalisation and controlled distribution. This will probably have a big impact on the rest of Europe were more and more people are growing tired over a failed and pointless drug war.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/24/world/europe/german-government-cannabis.html

Problem is if they decriminalize weed the gangs will just push something else. That being meth here.

Well they'll push it harder.

So it doesn't really fix anything just gives the stoners what they want.

What works in Portugal and Scandinavia won't work here because we're self indulgent anglo Saxon colonial culture of binging and poor self control relative to Europe or Asia etc.

Took 30 years to get to the point where you don't have to drink 24 beers in one sitting.

 

[Samson]

Which doctors have scientific knowledge of the medical effects of marijuana?

Well, for some reason I keep getting spam about this, and I think you may find some there, though it equally could be a predatory conference. It is nothing like my field.

Problem is if they decriminalize weed the gangs will just push something else. That being meth here.

Well they'll push it harder.

I do not believe the traditional image of "drug pusher" exists. There is too much competition in the drugs market to make it economical for any one dealer to give out free samples in the hope of getting return custom.

 

[Snerk]

Problem is if they decriminalize weed the gangs will just push something else. That being meth here.

Well they'll push it harder.

So it doesn't really fix anything just gives the stoners what they want.

That math doesn't add up. Yes gangs will try to adapt to changes, like anybody will in a changing market. But meth is a smaller market than weed and will not have the same potential profits. Especially when you consider that they already had a monopoly on other illegal drugs, including meth. So gangs will face a loss in income either way when losing out on weed sales, and that's a good thing.

I'm sure there was a spike in other illegal contraband right after the prohibition of alcohol ended as organised crime moved on to other things. That does not mean that prohibition worked well and that it ever was a good idea.

Also referring to all cannabis users as stoners is kinda stigmatising and part of the problem if you want to tackle drug related issues.

 

[Narz]

Both are putting their beliefs over recommendations from experts.

Essentially ones arguing I want this I'm doing it regardless" which is fine but it's self indulgent.

What experts?

What is life for if not to indulge oneself??

When it comes to medication doctors for the most part.

There are medical degrees in MJ?

You sure you aren't just too lazy to understand so you're just outsourcing your 'understanding' to some random 'expert'?

Yep it's got some pain relief properties anything else is usually overblown.

That's like me saying I don't like coffee so it's for weaklings who hate life and can't function w/o caffeine. Makes me feel vaguely superior w/o any actual understanding of human psychology, the pharmacology of caffeine or anything really.

Problem is if they decriminalize weed the gangs will just push something else. That being meth here.

More unfounded speculation and ignorance.

Look up Portugal.

So it doesn't really fix anything just gives the stoners what they want.

God forbid people who just want to chill and not bother others get what they want!

What works in Portugal and Scandinavia won't work here because we're self indulgent anglo Saxon colonial culture of binging and poor self control relative to Europe or Asia etc.

You should see a therapist about your weird self beliefs not impose them on your whole culture.

 

[Farm Boy]

The right answer, unless we're cool with just fudging people over for money because we can, and therefore we should, is decriminalization. Legalization is cronyism. But, like I said, I suppose the issue's been over for a while, solved with the army. The shining legions of the state will end you for not paying up. You thought they believe you have rights to your body and mental state because they talk a lot about it on issues where they aren't expecting a couple bucks from you?

 

[Zardnaar]

What experts?

What is life for if not to indulge oneself??


There are medical degrees in MJ?

You sure you aren't just too lazy to understand so you're just outsourcing your 'understanding' to some random 'expert'?


That's like me saying I don't like coffee so it's for weaklings who hate life and can't function w/o caffeine. Makes me feel vaguely superior w/o any actual understanding of human psychology, the pharmacology of caffeine or anything really.


More unfounded speculation and ignorance.

Look up Portugal.


God forbid people who just want to chill and not bother others get what they want!


You should see a therapist about your weird self beliefs not impose them on your whole culture.

Portugal has some cultural advantages over my country. Look at Portugals vaccination rate for example highest in the world.

All the Anglo Saxon countries inherited the binge drink culture of the UK these days itrs drugs as well. Throw in a high level of individualism, I know better and you can't tell me what to do.

At least no one's actually claiming inhaling smoke particles is healthy. If you smoke tobacco you're an idiot as well.

 

[Farm Boy]

Like all them wife beaters that drink with their food.

 

[Berzerker]

Both are putting their beliefs over recommendations from experts.

Essentially ones arguing I want this I'm doing it regardless" which is fine but it's self indulgent.

If I want a prescription I go see a doctor I don't self medicate with booze or opiates.

expert: where does it hurt?
patient: you tell me, you're the expert

what if you want booze or opiates?

if you support medical pot you can get a prescription for it, so whats the difference if the state's doctor gives you permission or not?

This forum.

Covid. Listen to the experts.

Pot (medicinal). I'll do what I want.

dont the experts say weed has medicinal properties?

I dont understand your faith in people who cant experience life thru your eyes. If the doctor prescribes you a pain killer, do they - or you - know if its working? The expert doesn't know, they have to ask you.

At least with booze I'm honest enough to say I like the effect and it's legal. I don't bother claiming it's medicinal.

Alcohol and weed are different, one is poisonous to the body and the other is not. How many people died from tobacco, alcohol, and weed the last 10 years? I'd not only call weed a medicine I'd say its fairly safe. But I'd still consider booze medicinal, if life is miserable booze can make it a little less miserable. Just dont get addicted.

Problem is if they decriminalize weed the gangs will just push something else. That being meth here.

Legalize meth... The anatomy of our post-prohibition drug war began with a war on pot. That led traffickers to move more concentrated, more deadly drugs because weed was so easy to detect. Cocaine and heroin followed by meth and now fentanyl. Thats what banning weed got us.

Same thing happened during alcohol prohibition, banning beer gave rise to drug cartels and crime, speakeasies, stronger proofs and wood alcohol poisonings followed by the creation of AA to deal with all the addicts Prohibition created in just a dozen years.

It would be nice if the people who think drugs should be illegal showed us their victories. All I see is disaster. What have we gained with our drug wars? A drug free America? Is there actually any evidence drug use has declined? That would be the only 'justification' I could see, but from what I understand certain drugs will come and go but the drug consuming population seems relatively stable.

 

[Zardnaar]

expert: where does it hurt?
patient: you tell me, you're the expert

what if you want booze or opiates?

if you support medical pot you can get a prescription for it, so whats the difference if the state's doctor gives you permission or not?



dont the experts say weed has medicinal properties?

I dont understand your faith in people who cant experience life thru your eyes. If the doctor prescribes you a pain killer, do they - or you - know if its working? The expert doesn't know, they have to ask you.



Alcohol and weed are different, one is poisonous to the body and the other is not. How many people died from tobacco, alcohol, and weed the last 10 years? I'd not only call weed a medicine I'd say its fairly safe. But I'd still consider booze medicinal, if life is miserable booze can make it a little less miserable. Just dont get addicted.



Legalize meth... The anatomy of our post-prohibition drug war began with a war on pot. That led traffickers to move more concentrated, more deadly drugs because weed was so easy to detect. Cocaine and heroin followed by meth and now fentanyl. Thats what banning weed got us.

Same thing happened during alcohol prohibition, banning beer gave rise to drug cartels and crime, speakeasies, stronger proofs and wood alcohol poisonings followed by the creation of AA to deal with all the addicts Prohibition created in just a dozen years.

It would be nice if the people who think drugs should be illegal showed us their victories. All I see is disaster. What have we gained with our drug wars? A drug free America? Is there actually any evidence drug use has declined? That would be the only 'justification' I could see, but from what I understand certain drugs will come and go but the drug consuming population seems relatively stable.

As I said personally I would legalize or decriminalize most things.

I don't use Painkillers either. Put my back out a few years back didn't like them and stopped using them.

Went to dentist a while back had to get a filling. Didn't bother using the injection as I wanted to eat afterwards.

One can train your body to resist pain.

 

[Berzerker]

I guess your dentist didn't keep asking you 'is it safe?'

 

[Berzerker]

from the Miami Herald

these molecules share “structural similarities” with those found in garlic, which has anticancer, anti-inflammatory, antifungal, antiviral and antibacterial properties, researchers say. The resemblance suggests the newly discovered “prenylated volatile sulfur compounds (VSCs)” may harbor similar health benefits.

“These compounds in garlic are some of the most important regarding this plant’s health benefits in our diets,” study lead author Iain Oswald, principal research scientist at Abstrax, a California-based company behind the study that conducts cannabis research, told McClatchy News. “They contribute toward garlic’s positive cardiovascular properties; as well some have been shown to possess certain anti-carcinogenic properties in vitro,” meaning in a test tube.

“We believe that these compounds in cannabis may likewise have similar properties, although future studies are needed to confirm this,” Oswald said.

Of particular interest to Oswald is how cannabis is typically consumed. Most people inhale the drug, either through smoking or vaping.

“This may provide these compounds a higher probability of retaining any possible properties than via digestion (such as with garlic), as they may be more easily absorbed into the bloodstream, which could potentially increase their bioavailability,” he said.

Smoking weed delivers beneficial compounds more effectively than ingesting edibles

 

[Hygro]

My favorite is cigarettes and schizophrenia.

The DOCTORS said don't smoke! We see a positive correlation between smoking and having schizophrenia.

Schizophrenics smoked more anyway. So then researchers looked into it. After all, the patients were weirdly noncompliant. They discovered that in fact cigarettes relieve schizophrenic symptoms.

The science of this tobacco medicine would have never been discovered without self-medication, against the doctors' orders. Makes sense too, given that doctors aren't tobacco experts.

 

[stinkubus]

It is really odd that legal weed is not cheaper than illegal. I cannot understand it, considering the stereotype of the user at least, one would expect price to the primary thing suppliers compete on. It should be cheap to produce, I would expect it to be similar to tobacco or something. How then is there not a massive decrease in the price while legalisation? Again, cf. conspiracy thread.

Its not odd at all. Legal cultivation and sale requires licensure.

 

[stinkubus]

My favorite is cigarettes and schizophrenia.

The DOCTORS said don't smoke! We see a positive correlation between smoking and having schizophrenia.

Schizophrenics smoked more anyway. So then researchers looked into it. After all, the patients were weirdly noncompliant. They discovered that in fact cigarettes relieve schizophrenic symptoms.

The science of this tobacco medicine would have never been discovered without self-medication, against the doctors' orders. Makes sense too, given that doctors aren't tobacco experts.

I worked in a state psych facility for a decade. Can confirm schizophrenics almost universally smoke like chimneys.