Weed?

[Berzerker]

Except weed is generally putting particles in your lungs and effects your brain/perception bin very small amounts eg 1-2 spots.

Shouldn't be putter Ng any particles in your lungs.

true, inhaling smoke is bad for us

i think... in general thats true. But if a medicine works in better ways when its inhaled risk and reward enter the picture.
We wouldn't stab someone with a needle or administer chemo and radiation if not for a reward.

ofc moderation matters, smoke too much and bronchial problems could arise

I know someone who had to quit because nausea and vomiting, weed can cause problems with the esophagus - its a muscle relaxant and a muscle in the throat keeps food and acid in the stomach

I should add that may not be the case with edible weed. Inhaling smoke hits the lower throat and the effect is almost immediate whereas edibles travel thru the digestive system with a delayed but more evenly distributed high.

 

[Farm Boy]

Your body isn't a temple. It's a depreciating asset.

 

[Hygro]

The problem with ingesting marijuana instead of smoking it is that it becomes a different, far more psychoactive drug.

 

[Narz]

The problem with ingesting marijuana instead of smoking it is that it becomes a different, far more psychoactive drug.

It's not a problem for me.

Edible weed gives way more bang for your buck than smoked.

 

[Berzerker]

Your body isn't a temple. It's a depreciating asset.

thats true, his condition largely effects long time middle age users

I got GERD from smoking pot... Well, no, let me restate that. I had been smoking pot without issue for decades, but I had a change in my living environment - I was eating meals and staying more or less upright afterward, but then I got in the habit of eating large, greasier meals before lying down flat to watch TV or sleep and it only took about 3 months of that to damage my esophagus. My advancing age was probably a factor too as with my friend, but posture matters - them nuns smacking little kids on the back to straighten up weren't just being mean.

dont lie down after eating large meals, especially if you've been doing it a while, stop doing it. Gotta be one of the biggest causes of esophageal cancer.

edit: also, eat more meals with smaller portions. Once your stomach gets in the habit of expanding less to make room for large meals you wont need to shovel the food in to feel satiated.

I see good stuff about fasting too... i guess the big no no is all you can eat buffets

 

[Zardnaar]

Different things can be medicine for different people and you don't need a doctor to tell you that either.

Being an adult is about being able to responsibly make choices including about caffeine, cannabis, etc.

The internet is more damaging to memory and attention span than cannabis

Difference between medical use and taking it because you like the feel f it. Same as any drug legal or not.

 

[Gorbles]

Difference between medical use and taking it because you like the feel f it. Same as any drug legal or not.

This is incredibly tiring. Caffeine is not typically prescribed for medical use. Neither is salt. Neither is sugar. You're not reading anybody's replies on this subject.

We get it. You think weed is bad. Opinion noted. Move on with your life. Stuff doesn't become magically safe just because a doctor prescribes it. A doctor prescribes something at a certain strength because it is safe (for that patient, in that context). If you don't want to accept this, there's no point you repeating yourself about it all.

 

[Zardnaar]

This is incredibly tiring. Caffeine is not typically prescribed for medical use. Neither is salt. Neither is sugar. You're not reading anybody's replies on this subject.

We get it. You think weed is bad. Opinion noted. Move on with your life. Stuff doesn't become magically safe just because a doctor prescribes it. A doctor prescribes something at a certain strength because it is safe (for that patient, in that context). If you don't want to accept this, there's no point you repeating yourself about it all.

If you're "self medicating" how is that different from an anti vaxxer?

Both are claiming they know better than the experts. And how many people are "self medicating" because it sounds better than addict?

 

[Gorbles]

If you're "self medicating" how is that different from an anti vaxxer?

People don't typically eat sugar or take weed necessarily to self-medicate, my dude. And even if someone would self-medicate, it would be with medical knowledge. Can that be a problem? Sure. Just ask any alcoholic. There are people who are alcoholic, know it, and hate it. But that doesn't invalidate the entire concept of self-medication.

Being an anti-vaxxer is a whole other show. Do you think the people going on about 5G towers causing Covid-19 are remotely comparable to someone smoking a joint? Yeesh.

 

[Arwon]

Cannabis is legal here, but not anywhere else in Australia, due to the deep conservatism of most non-ACT branches of the Labor Party (much less the Libs). It was legalised a couple of years ago after being decrminalised in about 1993.

As a result, avoiding conflict with federal laws means there isn't a legal commercial cannabis market or anything like in Canada or parts of the US, as sale isn't permitted, just legal possession and personal cultivation. That also means there's no taxation or licensing regime.

We are an island of sensible law! Only two other places, South Australia and Northern Territory, even have decriminalised cannabis (orange), though both have had that for a long time with South Australian decriminalisation in 1987 being among the world pioneers.

New Zealand even managed to squander a referendum on the issue, which is pretty bad, especially after also stuffing up the chance to fix their flag.

So we have solved cannabis reform as much as is possible in a federal system with a recalcitrant federal parliament whose laws would invalidate further measures. We are now probably getting close to decriminalising all other drug possession, with the Labor/Greens government majority of the inquiry into it recommending a bill to do so. This is the path cannabis legalisation took and we should probably expect them to vote on full drug decriminalisation in maybe a year or two.

 

[Zardnaar]

ACT is really small though isn't it? Aussie is what 25 million give or take ACT is essentially just the capital and surrounding area?

What's funny here is the put up a referendum on canabis assuming they would win. Surprise upset people voted against it.

Now they're *****ing and moaning about it. Basically they only believe in democracy when it's convenient. I voted yes to decriminalized weed daid referendum.

 

[Berzerker]

Difference between medical use and taking it because you like the feel f it. Same as any drug legal or not.

but it has medicinal properties for everyone... and yes, potential downsides

studies show powerful hallucinogens can help people with PTSD and related problems. Well, life is PTSD. If weed eases our pain its always a medical use.

If you're "self medicating" how is that different from an anti vaxxer?

Both are claiming they know better than the experts. And how many people are "self medicating" because it sounds better than addict?

Dont you do things you like doing? Life is an addiction.

 

[Zardnaar]

but it has medicinal properties for everyone... and yes, potential downsides

studies show powerful hallucinogens can help people with PTSD and related problems. Well, life is PTSD. If weed eases our pain its always a medical use.



Dont you do things you like doing? Life is an addiction.

Yes but I don't resort to drugs to enjoy those things. Watch a tv show, go for a walk, spend time with wife, pat the cat, go for a swim etc.

 

[Narz]

Difference between medical use and taking it because you like the feel f it. Same as any drug legal or not.

I do everything because I damn well feel like it. People who need to wait for a doctor's permission don't even deserve to get high.

If you're "self medicating" how is that different from an anti vaxxer?

What? This is one of the most bizzare comparisons I've ever seen.

Both are claiming they know better than the experts.

Bro you have zero idea what you're talking about. Medicial MJ is a big racket, you just go in tell them you have pain & they give you permission to do what you illegally do anyway. Maybe in your imagination they run a battery of tests on your body & brain to see if weed is right for you. No.

And how many people are "self medicating" because it sounds better than addict?

It's called freedom.

People who hide in a corner until some so-called expert tells them it's ok to act are lame af. I do what's correct now & let public opinion catch up later. How long did it take the medical industry to admit cigarettes caused cancer? Trans-fats were originally thought to be healthier than saturated fats.

"Self medication" is a term invented to make people feel stupid & incompetent to make their own decisions.

 

[Berzerker]

Yes but I don't resort to drugs to enjoy those things. Watch a tv show, go for a walk, spend time with wife, pat the cat, go for a swim etc.

Are those therapeutic? say...addictive? You know, cats see you as a giant pillow with an attached can opener. You're limiting humanity to your personal likes and dislikes, to each his own creates a broader horizon.

 

[Narz]

Cats are definitely addictive. I was hooked early and haven't been happy living without them since (I now have four).

 

[Hygro]

If you're "self medicating" how is that different from an anti vaxxer?

Both are claiming they know better than the experts. And how many people are "self medicating" because it sounds better than addict?

Who is a marijuana expert? Definitely not any medical doctors I know.

As for how self-medicating is different from an anti-vaxxer, one is in informal territory, the other is in wrong territory. One is getting feedback from their usage, the other is imagining risk. So I guess, completely different.

 

[Zardnaar]

Who is a marijuana expert? Definitely not any medical doctors I know.

As for how self-medicating is different from an anti-vaxxer, one is in informal territory, the other is in wrong territory. One is getting feedback from their usage, the other is imagining risk. So I guess, completely different.

Both are putting their beliefs over recommendations from experts.

Essentially ones arguing I want this I'm doing it regardless" which is fine but it's self indulgent.

If I want a prescription I go see a doctor I don't self medicate with booze or opiates.

 

[Hygro]

Zardnaar: listen to the experts
Hygro: who is the expert?
Zardnaar: um, I dunno but listen to the expert!

Wow. Neutron stars up in here.

 

[Zardnaar]

Zardnaar: listen to the experts
Hygro: who is the expert?
Zardnaar: um, I dunno but listen to the expert!

Wow. Neutron stars up in here.

This forum.

Covid. Listen to the experts.

Pot (medicinal). I'll do what I want.

At least with booze I'm honest enough to say I like the effect and it's legal. I don't bother claiming it's medicinal.

Note I'm perfectly fine if you want it to be legal because you like the effect. Hell I voted for exactly that.

But if you're trying to claim it's medical generally things require prescriptions and inhaling any particles aren't exactly good for your health.