What does a MAGA hat stand for?

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Ah, I see you too are suffering from the Slander and Smear Campaign gang just for not agreeing with their complete and total viewpoint and agenda, hook, line, and sinker, with no questions, concerns, or reservations allowed. I'm sure you watched as this vicious dogpack was doing the same to me, for the same reasons.

Honestly this goes every direction. I get what you are saying, its just this is basically a well moderated political forum, which means while the cursing and name calling is limited it still political and is still generally heated.
 
Honestly this goes every direction. I get what you are saying, its just this is basically a well moderated political forum, which means while the cursing and name calling is limited it still political and is still generally heated.

When Donald Trump, in the 2016 Republican Primaries, spammed "Lyin' Ted," at everything Ted Cruz said and did, and even dragged Cruz' wife into it, ending up destroying him as a contender, it wasn't actually against American campaigning or political advertising laws, but it was dirty and underhanded, and somewhat "schoolyard-level," in conduct.
 
To answer the OP’s question, it’s just a hat. Perhaps a tacky advertisement piece that Trump picked up from Regan’s political campaign of the 1980s. Given the polarization of the nation it can mean different things to different people in different spectrums.

To some it’s a rejuvenation if an economic way that’s been ravaged by globalization and outsourcing manufacturing jobs to places like China, India, or Vietnam. Even a return to an America that wasn’t wrecked by the Great Recession. To others it means bigotry towards minorities and advocating for deportation of Hispanics.

You’re going to get a different answer from different people based on their political spectrum. To be honest, there is no consensus as most people are deeply divided about the MAGA hats.

I haven't seen anything from him that would suggest he is opposed to trans rights, it just isn't at the top of his political radar. Calling him evil or saying that he doesn't care about an issue can't be a good way to talk with someone and convince a sympathetic person to your beliefs.
I’d have been lurking in this thread on and off and it’s largely the reason why I feel exhausted within the political sphere since there’s no room for moderates to easily voice their views without being attacked from the extreme wings, or drowned out by them (the news media doesn’t help since any sensational news lines their pockets).

I am reminded of a statement Obama said when he called out cancel culture that’s been going on, especially within his own party. When he stated: “This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly. The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. (Full Speech Here)”.

I agree with the statement “calling him evil can’t be a good way to garner sympathy/support”. Since attacking another person is a bad way to gain support as you’d end up with the other person turned off and likely not willing to hear your views as you’d come across as “that crazy unreasonable SJW/Right Winger”.
 
If anyone wants to see what threatening social hate looked like in the past, you only have to go back to school integration in the south in late 50s and early 60s. Today we have the internet. New Orleans is one example:

https://64parishes.org/entry/new-orleans-school-crisis

Ruby Bridges was the focus of white hate. She was six years old.
...During this crisis, Ruby Bridges became the focus of public attention. Every day she walked a gauntlet of vitriolic hatred. Outwardly, she appeared to handle the stress well. She remained attentive, good-natured, and stoic throughout the crisis. Her mother and father argued about continuing to send her to school, but eventually agreed that Bridges had become a role model for other children in the South.

On November 14 and for the rest of the school year, Bridges required the assistance of federal marshals who escorted her to and from school. A psychiatrist, Robert Coles, was also hired to counsel Bridges through the trauma. After one protestor threatened to poison her food, Bridges stopped eating the lunches her mother prepared for her. Her persistence was immortalized by Norman Rockwell in painting, “The Problem We All Live With.” As white parents continued their boycott, Bridges was the only student in attendance at the school between January and May 1961. Tate, Preevost, and Etienne faced similar abandonment by white families at their elementary school. Despite the crisis, the process of desegregation continued the following school year. The courts told the Orleans Parish School Board in unequivocal terms that desegregation would continue. Legal challenges by the legislature and the school board continued to fail, and the federal government threatened to use force to uphold the law.

Bridges completed her elementary education in William Frantz. She later earned a graduate degree in business and worked for fifteen years in travel and tourism. Her website, rubybridges.com, chronicles her experience in retrospect. Currently, she travels the United States as a motivational speaker. In 1999, she founded the Ruby Bridges Foundation, which specializes in conflict management and diversity education. She resides in New Orleans with her husband and children.
https://64parishes.org/entry/ruby-bridges
 
I feel exhausted within the political sphere since there’s no room for moderates to easily voice their views without being attacked from the extreme wings, or drowned out by them (the news media doesn’t help since any sensational news lines their pockets).

I am reminded of a statement Obama said when he called out cancel culture that’s been going on, especially within his own party. When he stated: “This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly. The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. (Full Speech Here)”.

I agree with the statement “calling him evil can’t be a good way to garner sympathy/support”. Since attacking another person is a bad way to gain support as you’d end up with the other person turned off and likely not willing to hear your views as you’d come across as “that crazy unreasonable SJW/Right Winger”.

This is something I have often complained about too. And extremists are always short-term thinkers, never want to compromise, and almost always promote unviable, destructive, ruinous, and, sometimes even, ludicrous policies, and expect full and unquestioning support for them - or they declare you're "enabling the other side by default." I, myself, am attracted to a less known quote by Benjamin Franklin, as a response phrase, at least,

"I am a Radical Centrist, and anyone to the Left or Right of me should be castrated!"

Of course, given he was not a Medieval Feudalist from a system where all power came through hereditary primageniture, I assume he used "castrate," as a metaphor for political disempowerment.
 
"Cis" already exists in English as the inverse of "trans", so the use of the word "trans" necessarily implies a corresponding "cis", in very much the same way that "up" implies a "down", or "there" implies a "here". That's just how language works.
Yeah, that's what i said

God, you just want to put bad words in my mouth. I never said that or implied it. Talk about attacks. You guys are pathetic.
I have not once in this thread supported anyone that wears a MAGA hat. I have said that they may those that do may not actually be racists.
Buy you guys refuse to differentiate the two. I have not once HONORED ANYBODY, yet you'd never know it listening to Cloud insult me.
Why do you feel insulted? I think you should take it as a positive affirmation that you are not a -"us vs them", dualistic, confrontational, "black and white", absolutist, biformal, twofolded, bipolar- sort of person :)
 
To some it’s a rejuvenation if an economic way that’s been ravaged by globalization and outsourcing manufacturing jobs to places like China, India, or Vietnam. Even a return to an America that wasn’t wrecked by the Great Recession. To others it means bigotry towards minorities and advocating for deportation of Hispanics.
That would have been reasonable comment in 2016. But four years later, which of those three possibilities are actually evident in the policies of the Trump administration?
 
"I am a Radical Centrist, and anyone to the Left or Right of me should be castrated!"

"Edward Rutledge:
Must you be so extreme, Dr. Franklin?

Benjamin Franklin:
[Wryly] I'm an extreme moderate, Mr. Rutledge. I believe anybody not in favor of moderation and compromise ought to be castrated and that all this should be sent down to the... the Parliament for they seem to need - how should I put it? - stones. [He smiles broadly]"

as J. Adams recalls it.
 
"Edward Rutledge:
Must you be so extreme, Dr. Franklin?

Benjamin Franklin:
[Wryly] I'm an extreme moderate, Mr. Rutledge. I believe anybody not in favor of moderation and compromise ought to be castrated and that all this should be sent down to the... the Parliament for they seem to need - how should I put it? - stones. [He smiles broadly]"

as J. Adams recalls it.

We'll say, I paraphrased. The spirit and tenor of the quote was still there.
 
"I don't like it when people use a prefix to single out a group of people, so long as I'm in that group."

Is a lot of what I'm hearing, here. The point about inclusivity is that you should strive to make marginalised groups not feel marginalised. Adopting a similar, scientifically-accurate label to help normalise "trans" in everyday discussions is an easy, zero-cost thing to do. Being offended that you're being labelled such is irony that, if captured in an engine, would solve our Mars transport problems in an instant.

It is a truly unfortunate thing that our society insists on these labels, even to the point of the so-labelled demanding them, and the refinement, change, and increase in these labels, that no one sees that nothing good comes of their prevalence, and only long-term social harm (but, of course, we're highly discouraged from thinking in the long-term nowadays :sad: ). Despite how I've been disingenuously smeared and slandered, and had my motives and beliefs falsely decided for me in the worst possible portrayal by a group of posters here, just for questioning and showing concern over, and not agreeing in sheep-like lockstep, with some very disturbing and extreme ideals and "solutions" (the kind that only make things a Hell of a lot worse) they were advocating, I actually believe in the Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "Dream," just expanded for a modern range of types of people - where everyone can live in peace and harmony, without hate, segregation, and judgement by WHAT someone is, and equal opportunities for all, with neither an entrenched, establishment, nepotistic "old boy's club," handing out the benefits, for arbitrary and imbalance artificial Affirmative Action "quotas." But maybe that's naïve, because that's not what EITHER Social Conservatives NOR Social Progressives are really advocating for or pushing in the modern day and age. And thus, I am alienated from many parts of both of their social programs, and sharp, absolutist demographic thinking BOTH sides promote in their extremes (and these "extremes," are more and more being brought to the mainstream by both sides of the equation), both of which seemed designed to lead civilization to utter destruction and ruin in the long-term - but again, we're HIGHLY discouraged from thinking in the long-term nowadays.
 
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That would have been reasonable comment in 2016. But four years later, which of those three possibilities are actually evident in the policies of the Trump administration?

Unemployment is low, the economy is booming, the stock market is doing great. All of the possibilities are valid.
 
Unemployment is low, the economy is booming, the stock market is doing great. All of the possibilities are valid.

All of those are things in spite of trump administration not because of it.
 
All of those are things in spite of trump administration not because of it.

For some reason, American voter logic, since the fall of Hoover in 1932, is that a sitting U.S. President seeking re-election takes credit for a good economy, and takes the fall for a bad economy, even if they had no hand in it themselves, and couldn't possibly have. I really can't understand that mentality, as it doesn't seem to be as consistent or powerful a rule in many other nations' elections - such as my home country of Canada, for instance.
 
All of those are things in spite of trump administration not because of it.

Even if you’re right, not everyone else in the country realizes that.
 
For some reason, American voter logic, since the fall of Hoover in 1932, is that a sitting U.S. President seeking re-election takes credit for a good economy, and takes the fall for a bad economy, even if they had no hand in it themselves, and couldn't possibly have. I really can't understand that mentality, as it doesn't seem to be as consistent or powerful a rule in many other nations' elections - such as my home country of Canada, for instance.

Even if you’re right, not everyone else in the country realizes that.

You are both right of course.
 
God, you just want to put bad words in my mouth. I never said that or implied it. Talk about attacks. You guys are pathetic.
I have not once in this thread supported anyone that wears a MAGA hat. I have said that they may those that do may not actually be racists.
Buy you guys refuse to differentiate the two. I have not once HONORED ANYBODY, yet you'd never know it listening to Cloud insult me.
You made a differentiation between Cloud and your friend, on the basis of the friend being someone you cared about the opinion of. The "opinion" being discussed is support for the rights afforded. I mean, even if the names you were calling Cloud were accurate, that shouldn't mean you don't support her push for better rights.

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I had a bunch of other stuff here, but I removed it. As per your signature rah, the burden is always on other people to convince you. I recommend you reflect on the idea that sometimes, you simply don't convince others.
 
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since there’s no room for moderates to easily voice their views without being attacked from the extreme wings
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Bonus points when they complain about roving like gangs destroying all decency on the forum. The projection is fierce sometimes.

That would have been reasonable comment in 2016. But four years later, which of those three possibilities are actually evident in the policies of the Trump administration?
I was never a Trump supporter by any stretch but I did wish him good luck when he took office and was hopeful that with the campaign behind us that he'd tone down the crazy a bit. I even defended him when he installed his daughter and son-in-law in various positions as I wanted his team to be successful! I saw rooting for him to fail as wishing pain and hurt on a lot of people so I didn't feel that way myself. Unfortunately he's proven to live up to my absolute worst fears. I cannot think of ways for him to mess up much worse than he already has.
 
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All of those are things in spite of trump administration not because of it.

Not so sure. Getting 3% growth by running 4% deficits shouldn't be impressive, especially if you're in the healthier part of the business cycle.

Once people have decided to ignore deficits, there's a lot of things that you can do to boost the economy. And, like it or not, Trump has caused them to not care about the deficit.

Canada is not doing excellently with regards to the deficit / growth ratio, because our household debt is currently rising. But our growth is faster than government debt growth, and yet our conservatives are yelling about Canadian deficits. Down south? Not so much. Plus much less impressive rates of return on those deficits
 
You made a differentiation between Cloud and your friend, on the basis of the friend being someone you cared about the opinion of. The "opinion" being discussed is support for the rights afforded. I mean, even if the names you were calling Cloud were accurate, that shouldn't mean you don't support her push for better rights.
I would hope you would value the opinion of a friend over a random person on the internet.
And I have supported gay rights since I was an adult. You will not find one post here where I say I didn't.
If Cloud doesn't want to believe that, it's HER problem, not mine.

edited that> MY APOLOGIES. OLD MAN MOMENT.
 
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