Venice was independent from roughly the first half of the 800s to 1797, when it was conquered by Napoleon. Only later that year did it become part of Austria-Hungary, and then only by treaty with Napoleon.
Still counts as overlap with Austria. I'm not saying that overlap matters, I'm saying that you can't say Venice is better than Hungary because it has overlap, because so does Venice with the same country.
Still counts as overlap with Austria. I'm not saying that overlap matters, I'm saying that you can't say Venice is better than Hungary because it has overlap, because so does Venice with the same country.
Roman civilization is not the end all and be all of Italian civilization, that's a straw man. I'm saying that Rome is the logical capital associated with Italy.
If what Firaxis includes in BNW is in fact the Italian civilization, then fine. But it is clear Firaxis is probably opting for a Venetian civilization which is obviously something different.
The only overlap is the Hussar UU
That can easily be changed, Austria have a couple good non-mounted UU possibilities with bonuses on hills. Much more suited for them.
Even if Firaxis doesn't want to change the current Austrian UU, Hungary can easily get another one. There are many great options for a Hungarian UU.
Or a medieval UU, probably the Black Army of Matthias Corvinus in some form.
Maybe something connected to the Order of the Dragon, founded by King Sigismund in 1408
It's not that racist to claim there were tents in mud. Pretty much everywhere had mud at the time. And little to no cobbled or paved roads.
However I'd say that the truely racist thing is that there is little to no movement to give any land back to the native americans in these enlightened times. 20-40 percent of the nations of both americas ought to be a big enough (atleast morally) compensation.
Given this just posted on the Civ 5 Facebook "Learn to become a commercial and naval super power in this week’s installment." and given the idea most people have that Venice will have some sort of commerce or naval expertise we may see a whiff of them in this week's video
It's this week's featurette. They usually don't show new civs that way since they recorded everything so long ago. This one is probably the trade route one.
Given this just posted on the Civ 5 Facebook "Learn to become a commercial and naval super power in this weeks installment." and given the idea most people have that Venice will have some sort of commerce or naval expertise we may see a whiff of them in this week's video
I got the same idea but then again they'd have to make the civ's announcement (perhaps meaning that Venice will have a different treat than trade). And if Venice would truly be the super-duper civ I'd expect them to wait until the last weeks till release.
That's a very cool leader screen. Did you make that? You have to fudge a bit to make Nzinga the leader of the Kongo, though, which is one of my main concerns (and I've definitely been thinking if there is a way to do it because her history is fascinating). If the Africa scenario doesn't have Ndongo and Matamba, I'll strongly consider modding them in.
Anyway, to give my thoughts. The most disappointed I ever was with a Civ was the inclusion of the Huns. By contrast, I'm thrilled with Venice. I always thought it was an extremely unlikely choice but a hidden gem of a civilization - particularly a Medieval Kingdom of great importance that is identifiable today (unlike Burgandy) but isn't a modern state. I think their history is so different that it's hard to lump them in with any of their neighbors. It was a small city with a spread out sea-based empire before sea-based empires were cool with a fairly unique governmental system floating in the middle of water filled with beautiful canals. They mass-produced ships assembly-line style, financed Christian Kingdoms on holy wars, and went toe-to-toe with the Ottoman Empire.
Plus, the Indonesian thread made me think that Firaxis can truly do it justice.
The only overlap is the Hussar UU
That can easily be changed, Austria have a couple good non-mounted UU possibilities with bonuses on hills. Much more suited for them.
Even if Firaxis doesn't want to change the current Austrian UU, Hungary can easily get another one. There are many great options for a Hungarian UU.
Or a medieval UU, probably the Black Army of Matthias Corvinus in some form.
Maybe something connected to the Order of the Dragon, founded by King Sigismund in 1408
An early mounted unit might be too similar to the Huns.
I'd say that the Black Army and the Order of the Dragon would be good UUs for Hungary, as they'd both be in the medieval/early renaissance era and this is the time period at which Hungary was strongest.
Hungary could work if Austria had the Landsknecht and Germany had something else (maybe the Junker to represent Prussia). But Hungary doesn't fit the alphabet rule anyway so it's a moot point.
Okay. Well, sand can be found near pretty much anywhere. Caves can be found all over the world, too. And people use towels on their heads all the time, drying themselves off. So should I have been offended when people said that I hide out in caves and live in the sand? When my family and I were called a bunch of towelheads? Was that not racist, either?
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