Why Edward Snowden is not a Whistle-Blower

Wait, so you're assuming that a guy who basically got pantsed doesn't have an ax to grind here?

Id like to see him back up those assertions. Otherwise this is just supposition at best.

Show me the evidence. The NSA has a reputation of lying to protect itself, I don't trust anything they claim at face value. They have a strong incentive to dissuade us from asking questions.
 
Their behavior when the leak happened makes it pretty clear that isnt going to happen. They kept going on and on about attacks prevented but never really gave any evidence that the program alone made the difference between attack prevented and attack successful. Then again to convince people like classical hero who dont want to critically think they dont have to, they merely have to mention the big mean boogie man out to get people and that's satisfactory evidence.
 
Their behavior when the leak happened makes it pretty clear that isnt going to happen. They kept going on and on about attacks prevented but never really gave any evidence that the program alone made the difference between attack prevented and attack successful. Then again to convince people like classical hero who dont want to critically think they dont have to, they merely have to mention the big mean boogie man out to get people and that's satisfactory evidence.

There are a few incidents that happened despite the NSA's invasive surveillance programs.

-Lashkar e Taiba's insane assault in Mumbai
-Al Shabab assault in Nairobi at a mall
-Times Square [attempted] bombing
-Boston Bombings

And what of the dozens of cases in the last few years where the FBI basically convinces some poor guy to go and try to blow something up, only arresting him after selling him the fake explosives and such? Where was the NSA then??

These are just the things that spring to mind off the top of my head. I'm sure there have been plenty of other incidents even further back that the NSA programs should have caught. Well, "should have", if we take the NSA's public statement at face value.

But whenever a director of an agency is caught blatantly lying to Congress, we need to automatically assume that everything else they say may not be true.

Snowden's leaks to journalists allow us to better evaluate the effectiveness of these programs and, therefore, taxpayer dollars. Not that I think taxpayer rights are the primary issue here, to be clear :hammer:
 
Wait, so you're assuming that a guy who basically got pantsed doesn't have an ax to grind here?

Id like to see him back up those assertions. Otherwise this is just supposition at best.

Show me the evidence. The NSA has a reputation of lying to protect itself, I don't trust anything they claim at face value. They have a strong incentive to dissuade us from asking questions.

Are you assuming just cause he got pantsed, what he is saying is incorrect?

;)
 
No, we are assuming he is a liar, incorrect is being generous because it assumes some sort of innocent mistake was made. Based on past behavior before congress wouldnt be something new for NSA officials to be liars.
 
http://mic.com/articles/97146/someone-in-congress-is-making-awful-edits-to-the-orange-is-the-new-black-wikipedia-page

This is what our government officials are up to folks. And I want you to know that the guy who did claimed he was acting under explicit orders from his boss. So much for trusting our government.

I brought this up, because the main counter to the statement that our rights are being abused is that the government is working for us and is responsible enough to trust with this information.
 
Are you assuming just cause he got pantsed, what he is saying is incorrect?

;)
No, I'm saying that NSA officials have a vested interest in making Snowden's revelations reflect badly on him. Plus they have lied repeatedly, so anything they say must be treated with strong skepticism until it's verified.

So show me the evidence.
 
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...blower-legally-speaking?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1



Although I mentioned that Snowden wasn't a whistle-blower in a couple of threads we have ongoing, I felt this article deserved its own thread because of the detail found within it explaining why he isnt, and the clarification of why Snowden isn't some 'hero' at all.

Discuss.

Doesn't meet the legal definition of whistleblower. Clearly did the right thing. NSA had escaped the oversight leash and was grotesquely violating not only the constitutional rights of Americans but creating international tensions through their behavior as well. If only more government employees didn't let their loyalties blind them to the misdeeds of our designated guardians.
 
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