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[RD] Why is there so much suffering in the world?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by caketastydelish, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy The trees are actually quite lovely.

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    Thinking of a start up. The bougiest space rockets for the discerning solar fueltraveller. What features would make your trip better than other people's?
     
  2. Lexicus

    Lexicus Deity

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    For someone who loves science so much you sure seem to like ignoring the predictions of climate science and ecology.
     
  3. Marla_Singer

    Marla_Singer United in diversity

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    Why is there so much suffering in the world?

    This is the story of a truce I asked for,
    This is the story of a sun I had hoped for,
    This is the story of a love I thought was alive,
    This is the story of a beautiful day, that me as a little child
    Wanted very happy for the whole planet.
    I wanted, I was hoping peace reigning supreme on this Christmas eve,
    But everything went on, but everything went on, but everything went on...

    NO NO NOTHING HAS CHANGED!
    EVERYTHING HAS KEPT GOING ON!
    NO NO NOTHING HAS CHANGED!
    EVERYTHING HAS KEPT GOING ON!
    Hey HEY! Hey HEY!


    Link to video.
     
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  4. Truthy

    Truthy Idle

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    I’m not. Climate change is one of my biggest concerns. Note where the goalposts are. It’s not “there are no serious problems.” It’s “modernity has been a net benefit.”
     
  5. Lexicus

    Lexicus Deity

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    Maybe I misunderstood what you meant when you implied that the pessimism of today is just a phase, like teen angst. I suppose when billions have died and billions more are trying to scrape a living off rocks in the deserts that will cover most of the planet, there will be nowhere to go but up.
     
  6. Truthy

    Truthy Idle

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    You did. Again, the problems are serious. But so many of the solutions proposed in the heat of the moment, on a forum where you must take it to 11 or your motives are suspect, will be laughable in the future. MW’s Pol Pot fantasies to solve mismatch diseases will cause cringe chills in due time. Same can be said for a lot of other ideas floating around.
     
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  7. tjs282

    tjs282 Un(a)bashed immigrant

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    Is that... the same song that gets played on successful completion of the last level of MDK?

    *Wikis*

    Hey hey, it is!

    (But I like the Billy Ze Kick cover better than this one, sorry!)
     
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  8. Mouthwash

    Mouthwash Escaped Lunatic

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    That's not evidence for things being objectively worse where they came from (for a migrant with healthy traditions and lots of social capital, America is certainly better for them - though things fall apart for their offspring. My parents were first and second-generation immigrants, and look how I turned out).

    No, it's a sure bet that the zeitgeist is going to be wildly off.
     
  9. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Cool French kids singing! And some are wearing bright red pants too!
     
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  10. Marla_Singer

    Marla_Singer United in diversity

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    The 1970's.... :)
     
  11. Lexicus

    Lexicus Deity

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    Well, I certainly think that there will be a class of people whose wealth insulates them from the hellscape around them who will be wondering what all the fuss is about.
     
  12. Socrates99

    Socrates99 Bottoms up!

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    I'm going to assume somewhere around 35-40% of Americans will be in that group. Just enough of the eligible voters to keep on keeping on while everything else goes to ****.
     
  13. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    It's that old?
    Thanks!

    And love is suffering too!

    Vive Ye ye!

    Tous les garçons et les filles de mon âge
    se promènent dans la rue deux par deux
    tous les garçons et les filles de mon âge
    savent bien ce que c'est d'être heureux
    et les yeux dans les yeux
    et la main dans la main
    ils s'en vont amoureux sans peur du lendemain
    oui mais moi, je vais seule par les rues, l'âme en peine
    oui mais moi, je vais seule, car personne ne m'aime
     
  14. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    It's certainly not objective, I'm forwarding it as what is believed. It's not just the wealthy suggesting that things are better for the wealthy. I've known two different Refugee families that lived in poverty while working their tails off in order to sponsor more of their loved ones across. I also know of 2 missionary families that deliberately travelled over, and raised families in very poor regions of the planet. But they had Western sponsorship.

    It's not objective. And you might be right that we actually can't compare the relative suffering. But implicitly, people seem to have a strong belief that the suffering levels are biased. You mentioned offspring, but I only know one guy who went back after being raised here by immigrant parents
     
  15. Terxpahseyton

    Terxpahseyton How much Parmesan to put on your umbrella?

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    Plainly speaking - because there is no real collective control, no decision process. Things ... just unfold. So why wouldn't there be suffering?
     
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    Luxury living is addictive, while breaking out of isolation and monotony is (immensely) hard.

    People who thought as you are largely responsible for humanity's suffering.
     
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  17. Lexicus

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    I'd say people trying to make things go according to plan probably caused more suffering, myself
     
  18. Hygro

    Hygro soundcloud.com/hygro/

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    So you two agree.
     
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  19. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Veteran of 1000 psycic wars

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    That's usually me. When I was your age we all assumed we'd be dead of nuclear warfare by the time we were my age. We're still here, getting old. You most likely will be too when the time comes.
     
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  20. Terxpahseyton

    Terxpahseyton How much Parmesan to put on your umbrella?

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    I don't think it is a matter of what people think, but of what the natural limits are societies like ours produce. Organizational limits. Trivial limits, really. But cutting deep. So I would say it is a plain mechanical problem. Limits in time, resources, opportunities of participation and debilitation for each individual and interest or ideological sub group. It is astonishing that we can even to sort of simulate such a mode of governance. But it is so so so flawed in its plain mechanical routes and potential of unfolding. Very limited. So things are going to be still kinda chaotic. And chaos always breeds suffering. Because the universe owns you absolute squat.
     
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