Why we hate Hillary

[Miles Teg]

Care to defend it?

I don't really like insulting people with certain labels. I'll say that someone was fed paint chips as a a child, but I don't call them Satan.

 

[Ayatollah So]

1. though i disagree with her mandatory private insurance plan. I would personally prefer a universal healthcare system like Canada or the UK, and I think forcing private insurance is just putting money into a bad system.
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3. last I heard she wasn't going to start troop withdraw when she gets elected.

Amen to points 1 and 3. Hillary failed to buy off the insurance companies with her ludicrously complex healthcare scheme before, and she'll mess it up again. Keep it simple, stupid. Single payer or don't bother.

So, basically, the reason to hate Hillary is she is not a real progressive.

Yup, she's not a real anything. Bill Clinton didn't have two moral principles to rub together, but he did have one: he hated racism, and wouldn't wait for opinion poll results before stomping on anything that smacked of it. Bill 1, Hillary 0.

I dislike the fact that she will not own up to mistakes such as her Iraqi vote. [...] Hillary messed up health care in the 90's and her performance in the Senate is unimpressive.

 

[Elrohir]

Care to defend it?

I don't really like insulting people with certain labels. I'll say that someone was fed paint chips as a a child, but I don't call them Satan.

I'm joking. I don't think she's Satan. I just don't like her, or her politics. But calling her Satan was more fun.

 

[Stewbert 08]

Yo amadecofarm, I dunno if they teach you guys this stuff in the College Republicans or not, but:

Reposting phony pre-Snoped political email =

Just stop posting. UR MAKIN IT WURSE

 

[Zarn]

Clinton is for ultra-state control. Healthcare, video games? Are you serious? If she is elected, expect restrictions of liberty in both the social and economic realms to a whole other level. Bush Jr would start to look like me.

The political compass isn't accurate, because her pandering throws everything off.

 

[Integral]

I don't hate Mrs. Clinton, but I do highly distrust her.

$110 billion will not cover universal health insurance. If it did, heck, I'd consider supporting it. That's very cheap compared to the social and economic gains of a healthier workforce. You're telling me that all it takes is another $110 billion to cover everybody else? We could do that in a heartbeat, just look at the expenditures on Iraq. There's something more here. Further, the idea of forced insurance doesn't sit well personally.

What else...again, the health care plan, as concieved, is either dishonest or drastically underfunded (or my math is wrong. Which it could be). The New York thing mildly amuses and somewhat irks me. She swings with the polls, though all politicians do that to some degree. The inane anti-video game stance is just icing on the cake.

I'll think of more when I have time, but that's a good start.


-Integral

 

[JohnRM]

You gotta be kidding me. I'm reading your sentence as "she wants to take away 3/4 of your wages in tax", and I can't believe that. Could you source your statement please?

I heard this years ago. I'm not going searching for it. If you don't want believe it, it makes little difference to me. I'm not here to convince you. I was asked for reasons. End of story.

 

[George2816]

I cannot think of any politician in recent memory that inspires as much hate, for as few real reasons, as Hillary Clinton.

Many posters, from the left, right and center, appear to despise her. They write about how she'll ruin the country, how she's a lesbian, a communist, or worse.

I suspect that many of us don't really know WHY we hate her...but thanks to constant media bombarding, we do. So please, vote in poll, for as many reasons as you can think of for hating Hillary Clinton, then tell us why.

Poll Coming,

I hated bush ever since he was elected and i also hate hilary as much as bush!

 

[Stewbert 08]

As for Republicans, they hate her because they have Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Seriously, there's nothing much to analyze, it's just irrational loathing.

...and then the thread proved me right, about a hundredfold.

 

[El_Machinae]

I heard this years ago. I'm not going searching for it. If you don't want believe it, it makes little difference to me. I'm not here to convince you. I was asked for reasons. End of story.

Man, you're so hostile. Feel free to ignore my posts instead of just replying to be rude: it would probably be a better strategy.

You really think that she wants to tax 3/4 of income away? You really think that she's stupid enough to think that's a viable economic policy?

 

[Stewbert 08]

I heard this years ago. I'm not going searching for it. If you don't want believe it, it makes little difference to me. I'm not here to convince you. I was asked for reasons. End of story.

I think this particular quote should get a plaque. Or something.

Man, you're so hostile.

You really think that she wants to tax 3/4 of income away? You really think that she's stupid enough to think that's a viable economic policy?

Dude, don't even bother, it's like trying to have a political discussion with those infected guys in 28 Days Later.

 

[Mark1031]

I will not vote for her in the primary but I must say in the debates she has been by far the best candidate. Her views are basically the same as all the other major Dem candidates. This frothing about her socialist policies could be done for any of the other Dems. All the other traits are just traits of any politician with a chance to win (flip flop etc.). Basically the irrational hatred people have of her is the reason I won’t vote for her. It just helps energize the right wing psychos. I’m starting to think she will be the nominee and expect she will win but it will make it a much closer race than an Obama or Edwards ticket. I think she will be a good Prez., not great but good.

 

[North King]

I think it's more than a little odd that several people have claimed women would not be as capable in a position of power during wartime, or something to that effect. It's... Well, let me put it this way. I look at all the leaders throughout history, male and female, and I don't see very much sense during times of war. Anywhere, actually. Most people can be idiots at one time or another, but looking at the differences between the sexes (and real world examples of each in power), I see no real reason why gender would predispose someone to be better in war. Yes, men are generally more aggressive, but that's not always a good thing--nor is it always a bad thing.

 

[The Yankee]

She doesn't have any convictions, which goes hand in hand with the flip-flopper thing. After all, she has tried to leap to the center in good ol' triangulation (though what I think is a more pronounced triangulation than anything Bill did) in what seems to be a preparation for the general election. I can see changing your views due to conviction or new evidence as a good thing. But for expediency, I view that in a much different light.

I also voted for "another reason," and I think it is because of the authoritarian slant. Obviously, if elected, she'll inherit all the wonderful bits of that "robust" executive from the current administration and I doubt she'll want to let that go. Not when it can be too useful to advance her own goals. This is why whenever I've heard someone applauding "the president establishing the power of the office," I just have to wonder if they'd applaud those same powers going to Clinton. Amadeus did dig up some quotes that hint that she'll have a hard time not using the expanded powers for her own agenda. Even if those aren't accurate quotes, I have heard her hint at similar things in the past. And if the Congress is Democratic still, I wonder if they'll put up much of a fight on it with a Democratic President.

That's not hate. Those are disagreements and reservations. I'll still have to see what we end up with in the general election to figure out where I'm casting my lot. But as it is now, she will not have my vote on February 5th.

That said, I think she's been above average in representing New York in the Senate. As far as establishing some of the things that should go to the state (which may be a result of her position, but any way we can get it), she has kept herself up and she has managed her way into some prime committee assignments, Armed Services included. I'd consider her if she were to stay in the Senate and I'll freely admit to voting for her last year based on that and because the Republicans ran two whackjobs after one candidate decided being Attorney General sounded so much cooler (Jeanine Pirro, who became a parody of herself by the fall). But since we're looking at her with presidential lenses, some of those things where she is normally just one of a hundred have to be considered with greater weight.

And she is keeping Downtown from taking the Oval Office. Since I'm angling to be his VP and all.....

 

[thenooblet22]

I don't like Hilary because she seems so cold and calculating. She puts on fake accents and does that horrendous cackle. I don't know why people actually want her in the office, especially with the baggage known as pluralism. She is so concerned about the primaries that she doesn't give any answers and takes no position. I like people like Biden or Edwards who actually talk affirmatively and give ideas and plans. I believe Obama is fine, but he doesn't speak out nor show any character.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

"We're going to take things away from you for the common good." -Hilary Clinton

Not a good statement coming from someone looking to be president of the United States.

 

[Shadylookin]

I don't hate Mrs. Clinton, but I do highly distrust her.

$110 billion will not cover universal health insurance. If it did, heck, I'd consider supporting it. That's very cheap compared to the social and economic gains of a healthier workforce. You're telling me that all it takes is another $110 billion to cover everybody else? We could do that in a heartbeat, just look at the expenditures on Iraq. There's something more here. Further, the idea of forced insurance doesn't sit well personally.

What else...again, the health care plan, as concieved, is either dishonest or drastically underfunded (or my math is wrong. Which it could be). The New York thing mildly amuses and somewhat irks me. She swings with the polls, though all politicians do that to some degree. The inane anti-video game stance is just icing on the cake.

I'll think of more when I have time, but that's a good start.


-Integral

she isn't proposing universal health care. she's proposing mandatory insurance laws and then subsidizing the poor's insurance bill. I think it's a terrible idea mainly because private insurance companies are vastly inefficient and the reason the average American pays 3 times more for healthcare than anywhere else in the world. I also have little doubt that the private insurance companies will raise prices when demand becomes artificially inflated to 100% of the population.

I personally believed the insurance system needs completely revamped not patched up as Clinton is pushing for. So I feel by taking the middle ground she's kicking her self in the rear because right-wingers spit venom at any proposal to provide subsidized healthcare and left-wingers won't like it because simply telling people to get health insurance is not a real solution.

 

[Ecofarm]

Amadeus did dig up some quotes that hint that she'll have a hard time not using the expanded powers for her own agenda. Even if those aren't accurate quotes, I have heard her hint at similar things in the past.

The quotes are accurate. Look, I don't have any special feelings for Amadeus or hatred of Hillary - I just don't like to see someone dragged through the mud on false pretense. Read the website critical of those quotes yourself. It proves that all the quotes are, in fact, real; and, they are in exactly the context one would expect.

 

[The Yankee]

Even if they weren't accurate or were out of context, I do believe any kind of hints about an authoritarian nature would apply to Hillary. Given where I think we ended up on presidential power, that does not make me rest easy.

 

[El_Machinae]

"We're going to take things away from you for the common good." -Hilary Clinton

Not a good statement coming from someone looking to be president of the United States.

That's right. I'm still irritated at the previous president devaluing my American savings "for the common good". Plus taking away my Habeas Corpus "for the common good".

I wonder what she's referring to?