Would Communism Be Better Than Capitalism?

Would Communism Be Better Than Capitalism?

  • Yes

    Votes: 42 31.3%

  • No

    Votes: 59 44.0%

  • Advantages and disadvantages to both.

    Votes: 33 24.6%
  • Total voters
    134
Don't bother answering.
 
I suprised myself by voting "no" ;)

I thought about it - about what a communist society would look like, if it ever did work. A World without markets, competition, classes, the opportunity for greatness, the meaning provided by the thrill of building a business or taking risks.

Even if it worked "perfectly" I still don't think it would be a better World to live in.
 
Communist Parties like the CPSU should follow more rigerous Traitorfish-esque rules of semantics IMO. ;)
 
CELTICEMPIRE said:
Stateless, ok, then, name one successful anarchistic society.
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Why? What would that prove?

Ayn Rand said:
I thought about it - about what a communist society would look like, if it ever did work. A World without markets, competition, classes, the opportunity for greatness, the meaning provided by the thrill of building a business or taking risks.
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Risks and entrepreneurship provide meaning? I thought that Rand was an ethical Aristotelian? :huh:
 
kochman said:
In your words, in other words... Stalin was a hero. He was justified in his killings. He did nothing worse than any other leader of his time.
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In my words rephrased to your words: Stalin was a hero like Napoleon. He was justified in what he did. He did nothing worse than any other major leader of a revolutionary time.

kochman said:
Because democracy isn't a fairy tale idea?
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FYI, Soviet Union was a form of democracy at all moments of its existence. And the fairy tale is that there's only one true and only form of democracy, invented by the Westerners and defined by Washington.
 
You speak of black and white, colour me red and green.


edit.

I also miss the option to vote: There are severe disadvantages to dream of a final solution.
 
Read the fracking history, what a soviet is, and what the democracy really is. Soviet Union had a functional direct democracy in its system.
 
Aleksey_aka_al said:
Read the fracking history, what a soviet is, and what the democracy really is. Soviet Union had a functional direct democracy in its system.
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While the Soviet Union was not a dictatorship in the traditional sense, and I would have a hard time calling it a dictatorship, I would have a similarly hard time calling it a functional democracy. I'm not sure to the degree actual democractic elections happened in the Soviet Union, but if the Czech Republic and Hungary are any indications, the Communist wouldn't have lasted very long.
 
Aleksey_aka_al said:
Because they have a whole world with a slight different but familiar enviroment. And communist countries exist in a capitalist and hostile world where they are isolated from other countries and each other because of that.
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Good point. Kind of like how when those capitalist Western countries built huge walls of barbed wire on the Soviet Bloc's border, manned them with heavily armed thugs who shot people dead when they tried to cross over to the communist paradise on the other side.
 
but if the Czech Republic and Hungary are any indications, the Communist wouldn't have lasted very long.
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The workers and peasants of Czechia and Hungary were always in unity with the USSR. These so-called "rebellions" and "springs" were done by an irrelevant minority, sponsored by the USA in order to destroy the USSR:gripe:
 
Aleksey_aka_al said:
Read the fracking history, what a soviet is, and what the democracy really is. Soviet Union had a functional direct democracy in its system.
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No it didn't. The soviets ceased to function as autonomous assemblies during the Civil War, and lost their role even as sound-boards by 1926. After the 1934 Constitution it didn't even have a nominal direct democracy, let alone the real one, it had the same parliamentary structure that everyone else had, with a few pseudo-communistic labels plastered on to reassure Western sympathisers.

Sveon said:
I also miss the option to vote: There are severe disadvantages to dream of a final solution.
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Could you elaborate on that?
 
Traitorfish said:
No it didn't. The soviets ceased to function as autonomous assemblies during the Civil War, and lost their role even as sound-boards by 1926. After the 1934 Constitution it didn't even have a nominal direct democracy, let alone the real one, it had the same parliamentary structure that everyone else had, with a few pseudo-communistic labels plastered on to reassure Western sympathisers.
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You should have made it italic as Lone Wolf above did. :mischief:

Except the highest authority and its doctrine Soviet Union was highly democratic state. And it was very perceptible on common everyday level. Moreover, Western democracies had been constatly borrowing from Soviet system and experience and do this until this very day.

EDIT: About "direct democracy", I've just found out, terms in Russian and English and their scope differ a little.
 
Aleksey_aka_al said:
In my words rephrased to your words: Stalin was a hero like Napoleon. He was justified in what he did. He did nothing worse than any other major leader of a revolutionary time.

FYI, Soviet Union was a form of democracy at all moments of its existence. And the fairy tale is that there's only one true and only form of democracy, invented by the Westerners and defined by Washington.
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Wow... ok, first, Napoleon was also a scoundrel... At least he was a revolutionary. What revolution did Stalin lead? Lenin lead the revolution... Stalin came to power years later. He was a sick maniac, and you attempting to white wash this is fooling no one but yourself.

CCCP was now a democracy? Hahahahahaaa... wow. So, tell me about the election results.
Here is a analysis from the 1987 elections...
1987 USSR Election Result Analysis

Bugfatty300 said:
Good point. Kind of like how when those capitalist Western countries built huge walls of barbed wire on the Soviet Bloc's border, manned them with heavily armed thugs who shot people dead when they tried to cross over to the communist paradise on the other side.
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Everyone knows that's true! Just like the Cubans have to have massive coast guard patrols, to the point that it is bankrupting the country, to prevent Americans from illegally immigrating there...

Aleksey_aka_al said:
Except the highest authority and its doctrine Soviet Union was highly democratic state. And it was very perceptible on common everyday level. Moreover, Western democracies had been constatly borrowing from Soviet system and experience and do this until this very day.

EDIT: About "direct democracy", I've just found out, terms in Russian and English and their scope differ a little.
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Well, we are writing in English.
In what ways was the CCCP "highly democratic"? Are you talking about how they controlled all the citizens of the Warsaw Pact nations through fear? Or how they controlled their populace within the CCCP through fear?
 
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