WTC Mosque Part Four!!!

[Whiskey_Lord]

Hmm, good point about the food. If they want to sell Turkish meatballs in this place, then I DEMAND it be built.

 

[_random_]

Why on earth are you guys still discussing this?

Its a community center with a Mosque inside one part of it. If a bunch of Irish Catholics wanted to come over and do whatever you do in a community center, they could. Its for the whole community. Its not a Muslim thing.

The mosque is just a mosque. Its a place of worship. Its not a monument in memory of the hijackers who blew up the trade towers. The only thing is has to do with 9/11 is that worshipers there are of the same religion as the hijackers. Who cares.

There are other mosques in lower Manhattan too, one of them closer to the trade towers footprints. No one seems to care about them being there.

So there's no irreverence or insensitivity or whatever being shown by the building of this community center/mosque thing. The only insensitivity being shown is by the opposition, who rather blatantly conflate all of Islam with the radical nonsense of a few extremists and pretend that the opinions of people who were unlucky enough to lose someone on 9/11 should matter in a building project a decade later that just happens to be on the same island as where their relatives died.

I know you get this a lot, but can I bare you some children?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I would prefer if you did not bare children in front of me.

 

[Dachs]

I know you get this a lot, but can I bare you some children?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Whoopie Goldberg:

Why is the Mosque inappropriate?

Bill O'Reilly:

Because Muslims killed us on 9/11.

Link to video.

Gotta watch out for those momma grizzly bears...

Longer clip and details here.

 

[Traitorfish]

Link to video.

Oh, god, will somebody just strangle that trumped up little bell-end? You'd think a bloody Mick, of all people, would know not to conflate a religion with an extremist faction.

 

[Ajidica]

I'm not up to scratch on my British slang, but who are you refering to? The self-righteous bat or the bigoted talking head?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

He mean O'Reilly, because his name is Irish.

 

[Ajidica]

Ah. I was thinking that, but who knows. I know quite a few people who take an exception to the View ladies and call them self-righteous bats/old-bags.

 

[Traitorfish]

I don't even know who they are, but O'Reilly is loud and obnoxious enough that we can hear from this side of the ocean.

He mean O'Reilly, because his name is Irish.

Well, because he is ethnic Irish and a practising Catholic, and someone fitting that bill should know better. You'd think the bloody Troubles didn't happen, or summat.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Everyone talking at once got annoying pretty quickly. Is that America's version of Loose Women or something?

 

[MobBoss]

Actually, Bill O stood his ground. It was Behar and Goldberg that got up and walked out of the discussion....although they came back after being admonished by Barbera Walters......

I think Bill O deserves some credit for going into that witches pit (and not for the first time either).

Not to mention I think Behar is about the most disgusting thing ever to be seen on tv. Yuck.

 

[Formaldehyde]

People should make a stand against obvious bigotry. Of course O'Reilly eventually realized his "mistake" and even "apologized", which is why they came back.

 

[MobBoss]

People should make a stand against obvious bigotry. Of course O'Reilly eventually realized his "mistake" and even "apologized", which is why they came back.

No, thats not why they came back.

They came back because of Barbara Walters comment, and she is techinally their boss. They were the ones wrong in walking out, and they knew it and they even apologized for it.

And while you may demonize Bill O for his statements, he did indeed get to the crux of the issue as to why 70% of americans are against building the mosque in that location.

 

[Ajidica]

And while you may demonize Bill O for his statements, he did indeed get to the crux of the issue as to why 70% of americans are against building the mosque in that location.

In that location? It is an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory that has been used as a mosque for the past year or so because the nearby one if too crowded.
So prayer in that building is fine, but financing a community center with a mosque in it at that location isn't fine?

 

[Cutlass]

And while you may demonize Bill O for his statements, he did indeed get to the crux of the issue as to why 70% of americans are against building the mosque in that location.

The crux if the issue is that those people are so rabidly anti-American that they'd throw away all basic American values just because of their bigotry and cowardice.

 

[Formaldehyde]

No, thats not why they came back.

I'm guessing you didn't actually watch the video where they clearly stated as much?

And while you may demonize Bill O for his statements, he did indeed get to the crux of the issue as to why 70% of americans are against building the mosque in that location.

That's right. He did. Many Americans are indeed just as bigoted as he is by conflating an entire peaceful religion for what happened on 9/11. Of course, he was quick to backtrack when he realized he was taking that position on the matter on national TV.

And 70% of Americans are not "against" the building of the mosque. According to one poll out of many, that is the percentage who ostensibly "respect the feelings" of a handful of bigoted family members of survivors so they merely think it is not a good idea on that basis, instead of taking the position of the majority of that group who find nothing wrong with it.

 

[MobBoss]

I'm guessing you didn't actually watch the video where they clearly stated as much?

Didnt have to watch the video, I saw it on The View yesterday. I just happened to be switching channels and caught it just as the incident went down so saw the whole thing as it happened.

That's right. He did. Many Americans are indeed just as bigoted as he is by conflating a peaceful religion for what happened on 9/11.

Odd how so many followers of that peaceful religion engage in terrorism......

As I have quoted (or rather paraphrased) before, an Egyptian muslim said "while its true that not all muslims are terrorists, its regretably true that most terrorists are muslim".

You do realize thats a true statement right? If you take the last decade and list all of the terrorist attacks from all over the world and broke them down, Islam stands ahead of all the rest by far in acts of terrorism. Do you deny this? I dont see how you can. Its like trying to deny that the Crusaders were a christian majority...

And thats the biggest part of the issue here, and why a majority of americans dont want to see an islamic mosque built that close to the most heinous attack on our soil ever, that was indeed perpetrated by fanatical/radical muslims.

 

[useless]

[Citation needed] Evidence please Mobby!

 

[Defiant47]

Odd how so many followers of that peaceful religion engage in terrorism......

I'd like to see a source for that. How "so many"? 10%? 40%?

As I have quoted (or rather paraphrased) before, an Egyptian muslim said "while its true that not all muslims are terrorists, its regretably true that most terrorists are muslim".

And that is an irrelevant statement.

It is as irrelevant as the statement that "just about every criminal I've seen is black" (also thanks to the media), while there are numerous, more-than-majority number of black people that aren't criminals.