2008 NBA Playoffs

[Red Door]

Boston in 4
Detroit in 4
LA Lakers in 6
San Antonio in 7

 

[Azale]

Boston vs. Cleveland
(Boston in 6)

Orlando vs. Detroit
(Detroit in 4)

LA Lakers vs. Utah
(LA Lakers in 7)

New Orleans vs. San Antonio
(New Orleans in 7)

 

[RedFusion]

I didn't say Haywood's foul was excusable. I didn't say the Wizards style of play was good. I said LeBron was acting like a baby and doing the same thing himself. Both of those are true. An intentional elbow to a face is just as bad as pushing someone in mid-air, but LeBron gets away with it, again. Maybe he should take 4 steps and do it. They'll call a foul on Blatche if that happens. And admitted rapist does nothing to help your argument. Stevenson is a basketball player who did something wrong, it doesn't make what he says about a foul wrong for that reason. Disgusting logic used by Jamesalier fans again.



Or injured, or maybe the other team is better than them? I don't know why you're being so obtuse that you can't recognize that in only 1 of those years was every of one of the Wizards best players healthy. In that year, the Wizards were ripped off from the series win. They haven't been healthy since, but you don't know that, since you have no clue on what you're talking about.

What exactly did LeBron do that makes him a "crybaby"? All he did was call out what the Wizards were doing, trying to injure him so he would be out of the series (and hence they could win).

As far as Stevenson is concerned I brought up the rape thing to highlight just how low of a character he really is (it was a freakin' 14-year old girl!!!). He then goes on to say that the serious push in the back was a "good foul." If you've ever played basketball and been pushed like that you would understand the seriousness off it. Lebron could have broken his arm, wrist or leg from that. To call that a "good foul" is just despicable and right in character for Stevenson.

So either they play a better team or they are injured...talk about excuses. But yeah, they do play better teams because they aren't good. And the injury excuse is exactly that, an excuse. If a player can't stay healthy then he can't contribute. If Micheal Jordan got hurt every year, he wouldn't be Michael Jordan, he'd be Dejuan Wagner. That's basically what you are saying the Wizards are...Dejuan Wagner.

 

[Red Door]

What exactly did LeBron do that makes him a "crybaby"? All he did was call out what the Wizards were doing, trying to injure him so he would be out of the series (and hence they could win).

I listed it already, but here it is again: Elbows to faces, accidental tanglings and players keeping the other guy from getting out turning into suspensions, constant whining by one player, two players that can take 4 steps, rap lyrics badmouthing a player, and great acting will lead to rough play by the other team. Maybe the ESPN Hype Machine can talk about LeBron's innocence some more and talk about those dirty Wizards. LeBron whines about every foul call against him, every traveling call against him (the one or two he gets a year), and every call that he doesn't get, especially the one's he shouldn't. The Wizards were not trying to injure LeBron, they were trying to rough him up, a fair strategy in basketball.

As far as Stevenson is concerned I brought up the rape thing to highlight just how low of a character he really is (it was a freakin' 14-year old girl!!!). He then goes on to say that the serious push in the back was a "good foul." If you've ever played basketball and been pushed like that you would understand the seriousness off it. Lebron could have broken his arm, wrist or leg from that. To call that a "good foul" is just despicable and right in character for Stevenson.

Lapse in judgement, nothing more. I do play basketball, and I have been pushed in the back while shooting. It's a good foul to make sure I don't make my shot. You can break your bones from any foul, this one was no different, but once again, you miss the point. This is not about Brendan Haywood getting a foul he should've gotten. This is LeBron James being a baby, once again. Michael Jordan was roughed up by the Pistons. He didn't act like a little girl about it, he played the game. LeBron can't seem to do the same.

So either they play a better team or they are injured...talk about excuses. But yeah, they do play better teams because they aren't good. And the injury excuse is exactly that, an excuse. If a player can't stay healthy then he can't contribute. If Micheal Jordan got hurt every year, he wouldn't be Michael Jordan, he'd be Dejuan Wagner. That's basically what you are saying the Wizards are...Dejuan Wagner.

They play better teams in the playoffs because they are injured. I don't know why that's a hard concept to put together. Last year, with healthy players, the Wizards were the number 1 team in the East going into the All-Star Break. Then, injuries to Arenas, Butler, and Jamison at some point put their season in limbo. Butler has fully recovered, and so has Jamison. Michael Jordan would still be Michael Jordan even if he was injured, he just wouldn't be known as the greatest basketball player. Even you know that. Your comparison is utterly ********. The Wizards are a basketball team with bad luck. Give them a healthy team, and they'll beat the Cavaliers. They came one bad call from doing it in 2006 and could easily do it again. You have no substance to your argument, just bad comparisons.

 

[RedFusion]

I listed it already, but here it is again: Elbows to faces, accidental tanglings and players keeping the other guy from getting out turning into suspensions, constant whining by one player, two players that can take 4 steps, rap lyrics badmouthing a player, and great acting will lead to rough play by the other team. Maybe the ESPN Hype Machine can talk about LeBron's innocence some more and talk about those dirty Wizards. LeBron whines about every foul call against him, every traveling call against him (the one or two he gets a year), and every call that he doesn't get, especially the one's he shouldn't. The Wizards were not trying to injure LeBron, they were trying to rough him up, a fair strategy in basketball.

After being punched in the face by the thug stevenson, pushed further in the air by Haywood, etc. Of course he's going to defend himself. Anyone would. Everything Lebron did was in response to the crap the Wizards were trying to pull. I guess in your book defending yourself = Whiny

Lapse in judgement, nothing more. I do play basketball, and I have been pushed in the back while shooting. It's a good foul to make sure I don't make my shot. You can break your bones from any foul, this one was no different, but once again, you miss the point. This is not about Brendan Haywood getting a foul he should've gotten. This is LeBron James being a baby, once again. Michael Jordan was roughed up by the Pistons. He didn't act like a little girl about it, he played the game. LeBron can't seem to do the same.

You can't jump anywhere high enough that you would risk getting hurt when pushed It was so dangerous what Haywood did. Lebron had broken his wrist before back in high school when a player did the same thing.
What did Jordan do that was so different than Lebron?? Please tell me? Because he called the Pistons out on trying to hurt him just Like Lebron did the Wizards.

They play better teams in the playoffs because they are injured. I don't know why that's a hard concept to put together. Last year, with healthy players, the Wizards were the number 1 team in the East going into the All-Star Break. Then, injuries to Arenas, Butler, and Jamison at some point put their season in limbo. Butler has fully recovered, and so has Jamison. Michael Jordan would still be Michael Jordan even if he was injured, he just wouldn't be known as the greatest basketball player. Even you know that. Your comparison is utterly ********. The Wizards are a basketball team with bad luck. Give them a healthy team, and they'll beat the Cavaliers. They came one bad call from doing it in 2006 and could easily do it again. You have no substance to your argument, just bad comparisons.

Okay, Okay...they'll beat the Cavaliers...just keep telling yourself that

And you spelled out my point about Michael Jordan perfectly. If he was always hurt he wouldnt be remembered as the greatest of all time. It's the same thing with the Wizards, they have all these all-stars, but they are always hurt, so they can't be considered very good, now can they. A great example would be Grant Hill. He was great when he could actually play a whole season. Of course he went to Orlando and stunk it up, why because he was always injured. A player or team can't be considered good if they are always hurt. It's a simple fact.

 

[Red Door]

After being punched in the face by the thug stevenson, pushed further in the air by Haywood, etc. Of course he's going to defend himself. Anyone would. Everything Lebron did was in response to the crap the Wizards were trying to pull. I guess in your book defending yourself = Whiny

Punched? No. Pushed in the air? Basketball. Defending yourself isn't complaining to the refs before and after these events. Elbowing someone in the head maliciously, that's not defending yourself either. LeBron has no higher ground in this argument, except from ESPN, the NBA, and Cavs fans. Everyone else can see right through it.

You can't jump anywhere high enough that you would risk getting hurt when pushed It was so dangerous what Haywood did. Lebron had broken his wrist before back in high school when a player did the same thing.
What did Jordan do that was so different than Lebron?? Please tell me? Because he called the Pistons out on trying to hurt him just Like Lebron did the Wizards.

Jordan didn't get his buddies to write rap lyrics. Jordan didn't complain on every single no-call. Jordan didn't dive like an actor with every push he received. Jordan played basketball. LeBron is doing something else.

Okay, Okay...they'll beat the Cavaliers...just keep telling yourself that

They did twice this year, with a one-legged star player. Yeah, they could.

And you spelled out my point about Michael Jordan perfectly. If he was always hurt he wouldnt be remembered as the greatest of all time. It's the same thing with the Wizards, they have all these all-stars, but they are always hurt, so they can't be considered very good, now can they. A great example would be Grant Hill. He was great when he could actually play a whole season. Of course he went to Orlando and stunk it up, why because he was always injured. A player or team can't be considered good if they are always hurt. It's a simple fact.

Of course he wouldn't, he would never have played. He had the skill, even if he was hurt, to be the greatest basketball player ever though. People recognize talent, even in injured players. That's why the Suns took a chance on Grant Hill. He was still a good basketball player, despite having tough luck injury-wise in Orlando. That diminished his career, but he still had the skill to keep playing. The Wizards, without their star players, have made the playoffs 4 years in a row. There is a good chance that it will be number 5 next year. The only other team in the Eastern Conference to do that is the Detroit Pistons. If that's not a good team, I really don't know what is. As a whole group, most NBA people would take Wizards starters over Cavs starters. I certainly would take Arenas, Stevenson, and Jamison over West, Szczerbiak, and Wallace/Smith. I'd probably take Haywood over Big Z at this point as well.

 

[RedFusion]

Punched? No. Pushed in the air? Basketball. Defending yourself isn't complaining to the refs before and after these events. Elbowing someone in the head maliciously, that's not defending yourself either. LeBron has no higher ground in this argument, except from ESPN, the NBA, and Cavs fans. Everyone else can see right through it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdAFez5KrXk

Look at it again. That was an intentional swing at the head. That wasn't basketball, neither is being pushed in the air. Lebron's elbow back came after the series of dirty tactics by the Wizards. There is a reason why everyone but Wizards can see them for exactly what they are.

Jordan didn't get his buddies to write rap lyrics. Jordan didn't complain on every single no-call. Jordan didn't dive like an actor with every push he received. Jordan played basketball. LeBron is doing something else.

Rap wasn't in back then. And yes, if you look back at the tapes, the pistons used the same lines that the Wizards are using now like "whiner."

They did twice this year, with a one-legged star player. Yeah, they could.

Yeah, and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the Spurs this season. Watch out, the Grizz are on their way to being NBA champs!

Of course he wouldn't, he would never have played. He had the skill, even if he was hurt, to be the greatest basketball player ever though. People recognize talent, even in injured players. That's why the Suns took a chance on Grant Hill. He was still a good basketball player, despite having tough luck injury-wise in Orlando. That diminished his career, but he still had the skill to keep playing. The Wizards, without their star players, have made the playoffs 4 years in a row. There is a good chance that it will be number 5 next year. The only other team in the Eastern Conference to do that is the Detroit Pistons. If that's not a good team, I really don't know what is. As a whole group, most NBA people would take Wizards starters over Cavs starters. I certainly would take Arenas, Stevenson, and Jamison over West, Szczerbiak, and Wallace/Smith. I'd probably take Haywood over Big Z at this point as well.

The reason why Jordan is considered the greatest basketball player of all-time is because of his post-season achievements. If he was always hurt, he wouldn't have been able to do the feats he was able to do. That means no 6 championship rings and no recognition as the greatest of all-time. That's what separates him from being Alex English. A player who was great (when healthy), but never did anything in the playoffs. And of course history has all but forgotten him.

3 in a row. The YEARS in a ROW.

Claim all you want about having a better "team", but you keep losing. So clearly they aren't that good.

 

[Darkness]

New Orleans vs. San Antonio
(New Orleans in 7)

Traitor...

 

[Azale]

Beating the Suns is good enough for me this year As long as Popovich and Duncan are here we have a really great chance every year, but the Hornets got us after an emotionally draining series on our "odd year". Not to mention that Chris Paul is insanely good.

We never repeat back-to-back anyway


Whoah, NBA Championship talk? Now I know that's something CAVALIERS and WIZARDS fans will never get to discuss, so get back to your "trash talking".

 

[downtown]

I am amazed that the Hornets were able to *wax* the Spurs again, depsite getting almost no production from its frontcourt (15 points for West and Chandler combined)

If those guys get back to the 24 and 12 they're used to, hell, New Orleans might sweep!

 

[Azale]

We keep taking the 3rd quarter off for some reason. We are the Spurs, not the freaking Pistons!

 

[Red Door]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdAFez5KrXk

Look at it again. That was an intentional swing at the head. That wasn't basketball, neither is being pushed in the air. Lebron's elbow back came after the series of dirty tactics by the Wizards. There is a reason why everyone but Wizards can see them for exactly what they are.

Hard foul, nothing more, nothing less. A whole lot less worse than the elbow by James.

Rap wasn't in back then. And yes, if you look back at the tapes, the pistons used the same lines that the Wizards are using now like "whiner."

He didn't do similar things, he settled it on the court alone. He didn't retaliate, he didn't act like a baby. I'm not talking about the Wizards, I'm talking about LeBron.

Yeah, and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the Spurs this season. Watch out, the Grizz are on their way to being NBA champs!

False analogy, considering that was in the regular season.

3 in a row. The YEARS in a ROW.

Do you know the meaning of sweep? Obviously not, if you're putting a broom picture for beating an injured team 3 years in a row in the playoffs.

Claim all you want about having a better "team", but you keep losing. So clearly they aren't that good.

Who's made the playoffs more years in a row? Cleveland or Washington? Washington. Who's had more All-Stars? Washington. Who has been injured 2 of those years and missing key contributors? Washington. A fully healthy team could beat the Cavs in a 7 game series, we've seen it in the regular season, we've seen it in the playoffs in certain games.

 

[RedFusion]

Hard foul, nothing more, nothing less. A whole lot less worse than the elbow by James.



He didn't do similar things, he settled it on the court alone. He didn't retaliate, he didn't act like a baby. I'm not talking about the Wizards, I'm talking about LeBron.

Yeah, seriously, go back and watch those series. You don't know what you are talking about.

Anyways, your team lost...again. You clearly need this.

False analogy, considering that was in the regular season.

Yet you reference the regular season to make your case as to why the Wizards could beat the Cavs in the post season (despite being 0-3)

Do you know the meaning of sweep? Obviously not, if you're putting a broom picture for beating an injured team 3 years in a row in the playoffs.

A sweep of post season series against the Wizards. How hard is that to understand. the Cavs are 3-0 in post season series.

Who's made the playoffs more years in a row? Cleveland or Washington? Washington. Who's had more All-Stars? Washington. Who has been injured 2 of those years and missing key contributors? Washington. A fully healthy team could beat the Cavs in a 7 game series, we've seen it in the regular season, we've seen it in the playoffs in certain games.

Who keeps losing to the same team in the first round? Cleveland or Washington? Washington. Who sucks at shooting clutch free throws? Washington. Who can't stop Lebron? Washington. Keep clinging to your excuses. Seriously? Three years and not once can your team be healthy?? Face it, your team sucks.

Now stop crying about it.

 

[Kraznaya]

No one cares about your petty Leastern conference rivalry, take it to PMs (or PMS, whichever you prefer)

 

[Spartan117]

Ouch.. Lebron James almost had a quadruple double. 12 points, 9 rebounds, 9 assists, and 10 turnovers. While shooting 2 for 18.

Now I did not watch the game but why did Ray Allen only take 4 shots? I doubt it was simply because he was defended well because Ray Allen will take shots anyway. (not necessarily make them but he would attempt them)

 

[Azale]

No one cares about your petty Leastern conference rivalry, take it to PMs (or PMS, whichever you prefer)

Bravo my good sir!

Kobe officially MVP, not sure if it's been announced to the CFC world yet

I like the choice, even though I hate Kobe. No one thought this Laker team could be this good. Saying Pau was the biggest catalyst of that is a total crock, he was essentially a replacement for the production they were getting out of Bynum.

LeBron scored alot and got his team to the 4th seed in the East.

Garnett was a great player on a great team, but maybe we could give co-MVP's to Garnett & Allen & Pierce. Then again, just because it's the CELTICS being turned around does not mean they deserve an MVP trophy.

Chris Paul was the only other player with a legitimate argument. Still, Kobe strikes me as a more unstoppable force and technically Kobe's team finished ahead of Paul's team...no one thought either had much talent to start the year so the tiebreaker should be overall record.

 

[Red Door]

Yet you reference the regular season to make your case as to why the Wizards could beat the Cavs in the post season (despite being 0-3)[/QUOUTE]

It shows the Wizards can beat the Cavs. They did it 4 times this season, several times last season (without 2 star players), and did it several more times in the year before that. Yes, they can beat the Cavs, they just haven't. You just don't get it, do you?

Who keeps losing to the same team in the first round? Cleveland or Washington? Washington. Who sucks at shooting clutch free throws? Washington. Who can't stop Lebron? Washington. Keep clinging to your excuses. Seriously? Three years and not once can your team be healthy?? Face it, your team sucks.

RF, please stop talking about the NBA. You have absolutely no clue on what you're talking about. You show it again and again. The Wizards have made the playoffs more years in a row than the Cavs. They don't suck. Get that into your head, and then go back to college football because you understanding the NBA isn't going to happen because you are so clueless. The Cavs might be better than the Wizards (I've never said the opposite, but yet you seem to think I am) but that does not mean the Wizards could not beat them in a 7 games series.

No one's crying here except you and Cavs fans who can't handle "Crybaby" T-shirts with the number 23 on them, Cavs fans who complain that LeBron who doesn't get protected enough (Yeah, right ), and the league who realizes that LeBron won't beat the Celtics and can't advertise him as the one-man team anymore.

 

[Red Door]

No one cares about your petty Leastern conference rivalry, take it to PMs (or PMS, whichever you prefer)

Last time I checked, this isn't a thread to discuss the Western Conference playoffs, but the NBA playoffs.

 

[Azale]

It's also not a thread for stupid back and forths between fans of mediocre teams from a series that has ALREADY HAPPENED!

 

[Kraznaya]

It's also not a thread for stupid back and forths between fans of mediocre teams from a series that has ALREADY HAPPENED!

Truth. These playoffs are about admiring his greatness