2020 US Election (Part One)

[El_Machinae]

It's also just not about 'generousness'. I would never really want to delve into the difference in generousness because they're going to be expressed both along different dimensions, and also because my intuition is that liberals are much less generous.

It's about the political and economic systems that allow wealth creation. Now, oodles of this are based on geographic and historical factors that happened first, but longer histories give us more information.

I wish more people understood Magister's point about rents and subsidies. Even 'generousness' ends up being a subsidy for people who weren't originally given the money.

 

[Farm Boy]

Seems like a chicken-egg thing... The economics of a given state aren't simply about the politics, right? So the politics about any given state aren't just about the economics.

Oh sure, that's not it, but it's pretty significant. Probably about as significant as budgeting is as a part of government. Ways and Means isn't everything, but it has its difinger in just about every pie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita

Alaska, North Dakota, Wyoming - all lots of natural resources worth money with relatively few people. Also lots of federal spending if they have a lot of federal ground/parks/things to protect/conserve/direct/etc. California attracts lots of new residents with relatively little and exports residents who have relatively much, it controls the lion's share of trade with Asia, the seaboards have ports, Illinois has both the great lakes and the Mississippi, lots of stuff plays in. But there is a general trend.

 

[Berzerker]

Don't be tedious, Berserker. You know full well that it is entirely possible to have a party dominated by the super-rich that still appeals to the rural poor.

Do the wealthy lean Republican?

 

[rah]

When there are only two real parties you're going to have the wealthy in both parties. But in general I would bet more of the wealthy lean Repub.

 

[AmazonQueen]

https://www.statista.com/statistics...e-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-income/

According to this poll Democrats only led amongst people earning less than 50k in the 2016 election.
The Democrats appear to have done worse amongst middle-income earners.

 

[rah]

considering that those are based on exit polls and that for over 100k the percentages are so close, I'd claim no real difference.
But they don't differentiate past the 250k so you really can't tell on the UPPER UPPER end.

 

[Berzerker]

2016 was a somewhat unusual election cycle, that was the first time in quite a while with a 'populist' in the race appealing to the working man.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2012

Obama v Romney shows a more traditional breakdown of voters based on income

<$50,000 60 38
$50,000-90,000 46 52
$100,000 & over 44 54

Wealthier people lean Republican and Democrats complain about 'free loaders'

edit: maybe not, here's 2008 Obama v Mc Cain

<$15,000 73 25
$15,000-29,999 60 37
$30-49,999 55 43
$50-74,999 48 49
$75-99,999 51 48
$100,000 & over 49 49

Course McCain got whooped so he didn't win any category

2000 Gore v Bush

<$15,000 58 38
$15,000-29,999 54 42
$30-49,999 49 48
$50-74,999 46 51
$75-99,999 46 52
$100,000 & over 43 55

 

[Broken_Erika]

edit: maybe not, here's 2008 Obama v Mc Cain

<$15,000 73 25
$15,000-29,999 60 37
$30-49,999 55 43
$50-74,999 48 49
$75-99,999 51 48
$100,000 & over 49 49

Course McCain got whooped so he didn't win any category

After Dubya, people just didn't trust the republicans, i wonder why?

 

[Berzerker]

McCain voted for the war, that certainly had an impact on his support

 

[hobbsyoyo]

The next democratic debate is going to be another 20 person, 2 night affair which is lame. I'm ready for them to cull the herd a bit.


So I was ranting the other day about how the media is complicit in Trump's lying and racism for not calling it what it is but PBS and NPR have really stepped up lately. On NPR, a Trump spokesman went on and was asked a question and he rattled off a list of lies that had nothing to do with what was asked. The reporter said, (paraphrasing): "We could disprove all of those talking points as false but they have nothing to do with the question that was asked so...". Another spokeswoman came on a later segment as a member of a Hispanic, pro-Trump group and NPR hit her so hard over the head with the racism angle that she audibly gave up trying to defend Trump by the end. Just threw in the towel.

PBS is no longer hedging their language as much either - while they don't frequently use the words lies or liar, they do use them and use less soft language such as 'misleading' than they use to. It's a sign that hopefully serious journalism is catching up to the problems of the Trump era in the media but I fear it's too little, too late.

 

[Tristan_C]

So I was ranting the other day about how the media is complicit in Trump's lying and racism

MEANWHILE, ON PLANET EARTH,

Trump’s racist tweets are one of the lowest moments of his presidency - The Washington Post
The controversy over whether the media should call Trump’s racist tweets “racist,” explained - Vox.com
After President Trump's Racist Tweets, People Have Been Searching for the Definition of 'Racism' - TIME
Trump denies racist tweets were racist - CNN
White supremacists cheer Trump's racist tweets - CNN
Trump's racist tweets and the 'politics of distraction' - PBS NewsHour
Trump's racist tweets, and the politics of white identity - Washington Post
Colbert Scorches Trump Over Racist Tweets: “Racism Is Your Brand” - Vanity Fair
How a racist tweet became a Trump rally chant in three short days - The Washington Post
Morning Update: Trump Says His Racist Tweets Are Not Racist - BuzzFeed News
Rep. John Lewis on Trump tweets: 'I know racism when I see it' - USA TODAY
Nancy Pelosi was rebuked for calling Trump’s tweets racist. She can thank Thomas Jefferson and the Brits. - The Washington Post
Trump’s Racist Tweets, and the Question of Who Belongs in America - The New Yorker
White GOP congressman says he isn't offended by racist Trump tweets because 'I'm a person of color' - CNN
'I love the tweet': Eric Trump says 95% of Americans agree with his dad's message to love US or leave - USA TODAY
Trump’s Tweets Prove That He Is a Raging Racist - The New York Times
Comedians take aim at responses to Trump's racist tweets - CNN
By Republican Standards, Almost Nothing Is Racist - The Atlantic
Burnett: Trump is riding high after his racist tweets - CNN
'Go Back Where You Came From': The Long Rhetorical Roots Of Trump's Racist Tweets - NPR
White nationalist: Trump gives nothing but racist tweets - CNN
Ivanka Is Ignoring Donald Trump’s Racist Tweets - Vanity Fair
‘That’s all I’ve got’: Romney fails his own test on Trump’s racist tweets - The Washington Post
Comics slam Trump's racist tweets in Best of Late Night - USA TODAY
'The Squad' hit back over Trump's 'racist' tweets in CBS interview - BBC News
Politics Podcast: Trump’s Racist Tweets - FiveThirtyEight
Trump's Racist Tweets Came After He Faced Setbacks on Immigration Policy - TIME
‘Teflon Don’: Some say Trump’s racist remarks could hurt him — but history suggests otherwise - The Washington Post
Surprise: Steven Mnuchin Doesn’t Think Trump’s Racist Tweets Are Racist - Vanity Fair
Trump Defends Racist Tweets Aimed At Freshman Lawmakers, Reiterates Attack - NPR
Trump’s racist tweets come straight from the authoritarian playbook - The Washington Post
READ: House resolution to condemn Trump's racist tweets toward congresswomen - CNN
Where Is Ivanka? Her silence on the border crisis and on her father's racist tweets. - The Atlantic
White House Spokesman Doesn't Back Away From Trump's Racist Tweets - NPR
Amid Furor Over Racist Tweets, White House Announces Immigration Bill - NPR
Italy's Matteo Salvini shows the danger of Trump's racist tweets - Quartz
Trump 2020 Campaign Reacts To President's Racist Tweets - NPR
Yarmuth: Kentucky Republicans are 'going to have to live' with support of Trump's racism - Courier Journal
TribCast: Donald Trump's racist tweets, Beto O'Rourke's slaveholding ancestors - The Texas Tribune
5 things to know for July 16: Racist tweets, Assange, Puerto Rico, teens & screens - CNN
Theresa May and Opponents Condemn Trump's Racist Tweets - TIME
Former Arizona GOP Sen. Jeff Flake Weighs In On Trump's Racist Tweets - NPR
Trump’s racist tweets were written in the White House, which slaves helped build - Washington Post
'The Squad' condemn Trump's 'racist' tweets in CBS interview - BBC News
Donald Trump's 'racist' tweets are strategic and should surprise few - Sky News
Daines Stands Behind President's Racist Tweets - MTPR
Brian Stelter left speechless by Trump's racist tweet - CNN
President Trump Interrupts Democratic Infighting With Racist Tweets - Esquire
Tom Cotton on Trump's racist tweets: "The president is gonna tweet what he's gonna tweet" - Axios
Cuomo calls out Graham defending Trump's racist tweets - CNN
Opinion | Trump's racist tweets and the tired injunction to 'go back where you came from' - Crosscut
Melania Trump remains silent on husband's racist tweets despite having been a US citizen for shorter time than Ilhan Omar - The Independent
Young votes against condemning Trump for racist tweets - KTOO
House Minority Leader deflects on racist tweets: We are the party of Lincoln - CNN
July 17, 2019: Trump's Racist Tweets; Medical Myths | Here & Now - WBUR
President Trump rejects racist tweet allegations - BBC News
A racist tweet from a racist president – so why couldn't people call it out for what it was? - The Independent
Jeremy Corbyn calls Trump’s racist tweets racist - The Independent
Kellyanne Conway questions Jewish journalist's ethnicity when quizzed about Trump's racist tweets - The Independent
Merkel criticizes Trump over 'racist' tweets - Anadolu Agency
How Americans feel about Donald Trump's racist tweet attacking Democratic congresswomen - YouGov US
Seth Meyers condemns ‘racist gargoyle’ Trump - The Independent
Tweets condemned as racist are part of Trump's plan, and strategists say it may work - CBC News
Fear In America: From ICE Raids To Racist Tweets - WAMU 88.5
Kumail Nanjiani, Padma Lakshmi hit back at Trump's racist tweets - Los Angeles Times
What makes Trump's tweets racist? A historian explains - CBS News
Trump's go back to your country tweet: Trump's racist tweets against congresswomen prompt celebrities to share stories of racism and the times they've been told "go back to your country" - CBS News
Twitter didn't flag Trump's racist tweets - Engadget
Twitter chooses to not flag Trump's racist tweets - CNET
From birtherism to racist tweets: Trump's history of inflaming racial tensions - CBS News
House vote on Trump tweets: These four Republicans voted to condemn president's racist remarks said about Democratic women of Congress known as "The Squad" - CBS News
Meghan McCain 'Humiliated' By GOP's Non-Reaction To Trump's Racist Tweets - HuffPost
Trump’s “Go Back” Smears Are a Dangerous Escalation of His Bigotry - Slate
Fox News Bends Over Backward To Paint Trump Tweets As Anything But Racist - TPM
Ivanka Trump Keeps Ignoring Donald's Racist Tweets About Congresswomen While Promoting Her Women's Initiative - Newsweek
CNN Invites White Supremacist Richard Spencer to Talk About Trump's Racist Tweets - The Daily Beast
At Least One Trump Supporter Questions His Loyalty After President's Racist Tweets - NowThis
Trump tweets: President's supporters stand by him amid racist messages - CBS News
Trump Blasted Over Racist Tweets Targeting Congresswomen of Color While 'Fox & Friends' Laughs: 'Very Comedic' - The Daily Beast
Will Trump’s Racist Tweets Work? - New York Magazine
Trump is Tripling Down on His Racist Tweets Against "The Squad." Republicans Are Silent. - VICE News
Editorial: Trump’s racist tweets designed to divide nation in 2020 - The Mercury News
Trump says that his tweets being called racist 'doesn't concern' him because 'many people agree' with him - INSIDER
Chris Evans slams President Trump for ‘hateful and racist’ tweets - The Boston Globe

 

[El_Machinae]

Ctrl + F "fox" "wire" "breit" .... hmmm

I guess only some of the media is complicit

 

[Tristan_C]

these were only results containing 'racist tweets' as a shill keyphrase in the title or header (and only 100 of >1000 of those in the last 72h)

 

[El_Machinae]

Well, it's a free market chasing a customer base. I guess there's a subset of the news consuming populace that doesn't want to see the phrase "the president tweeted racist things" oh, so the people chasing that market will selectively fail to report some news

 

[Takhisis]

shill keyphrase

my spidey projection sense is tingling

 

[Arakhor]

The president is racist; the media comments on it. News at eleven.

 

[Zardnaar]

Here the wealth thing is usually around 30/70 and 70/30 in terms of rich/poor that vote left/right. The elections are often decided by who can bribe the middle class the best.

Right wing voters turn out more so their overall 30% support is close to 51% when 1 in 4 voters don't show up.

In theory you need around 37% support to win but with rounding and votes for parties that don't get in that number is usually 2-3% lower.

Our right wing party is kinda screwed atm they don't have any coalition partners but they can theoretically win with 28% of the vote.

 

[Estebonrober]

these were only results containing 'racist tweets' as a shill keyphrase in the title or header (and only 100 of >1000 of those in the last 72h)

Of course Hobbs point was that it started turning around on this set of racist tweets so. . .

 

[Lemon Merchant]

The president is a racist pig; the media comments on it. News at eleven.

There. That sounds better. More accurate now.

Actually, now that I think of it, the word I would most use to describe President Trump starts with the letter "C".

 

[Takhisis]

‘Colourblind’? It would definitely explain his fashion sense, and as a health professional I'm sure you'd be qualified to issue such a diagnosis.