2020 US Election (Part One)

[Takhisis]

I'm not talking overthrowing the whole Governmental apparatus and Constitution by violent revolution. I'm saying a massive legislative revolt is what's needed. There's no inherent need for violence. More 1990's Italy, South Africa, and Zambia, or Mexico in 2000 - them some other countries in the 1990's and 2000's. Declaring that I'm advocating violent revolution by nature is - yet another - disingenuous false attack.

In Italy it led to Berlusconi misshaping the country in his image and Mexico has become a narco-state in which the drug cartels often show themselves to be stronger than the actual military. Destruction without a plan doesn't work like magic, unfortunately.

 

[Birdjaguar]

As I've said a few times, the Duopoly and their rigged and corrupt, Putin- and Mugabe-esque hold on the electoral system, is one of the biggest enemies of real choice, accountability, transparency, and true Constitutional government in the United States. They both have to go, destroyed, or greatly humbled, as political forces before any true progress forward can be made in the U.S. And I know @Birdjaguar is going to swoop down again and attack this post SOLELY because it's made by a Canadian, and for no other reason, and give no defense of why the Duopoly should remain or is necessary or should truly be continued to be tolerated lying to, cheating, and screwing over the American voters again and again, and then arrogantly and smugly sitting back watching the majority of American voter crawl back to them at the ballot and beg one of the other for another term, like domestic abuse victims, or why these two corrupt, criminal cartel parties are better than a robust multi-party system where failed parties are actually allowed to die, schism, or merge, and not be considered an unimaginable extistential political apocalypse if one or both of the major ones did so.

Nah, I like most Canadians. I would feel the same way about your post if it were made by Greeks, bearing gifts or Aussies or even a Brit. Our system is our system and advocating the change necessary to turn it into something different is quite pointless. We will not have an constitutional convention anytime soon and when we do, I'm pretty sure a multi party system will not be on the agenda. Therefore any such talk is ridiculous and naive. It would be like me repeatedly advocating that a two-party American style system be implemented in Canada. Now I will say that an American style government would improve the situation in Russia, even if it was in its current state.

 

[Gori the Grey]

It’s not a cost, it’s a saving for society.

I wish Democratic candidates would frame their support for it this way: we've got to get the waste out of our present method of health-care funding.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It's upper echelons certainly do. The party bosses, the elected office holders, the political strategists and organizers, the ones who work in elected officials' offices, the plutocratic donors who hold more power over said office-holders and candidates than their own constituents, the voices whispering in elected officeholders' ears in unmonitored rooms, etc. Don't give me the "parties represent the people," crap. In "1984," there was the "Inner Party" (including Big Brother and his cronies, and, formerly, Emanuel Goldstein), whom no one ever met and only saw on screens, and then there was the common "Party." Maybe it's not that extreme, but it's as far off as you're making it out to be.

I take it that you edited out the part about USians taken collectively having no conscience and eating Canada for breakfast if they got hungry for a reason. Care to share what that reason is, or should we just speculate that it was too scary and likely to be the truth for you to deal with it?

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

I was literally ballot #69 in my Michigan precinct today. My polling location is located in one of the two main student restaurant/conference buildings right on campus of our local university of about 22,000 students. There was a steady trickle of people. It was busier than it has been for local elections easily, but not nearly as busy as it was for 2018 elections. I am expecting Biden sealed the deal after calling another voter a piece of **** at a car factory, a clear testament once again to uh... returning to normalcy or whatever (even if the voter was being a dolt).

 

[Farm Boy]

He might leave it to me instead.

You are constantly harping on this 'duopoly' as if it exists somehow independent of the voters and doesn't represent 'real USA.' Get over it. Yes, collectively USians have no conscience and would eat Canada for breakfast if they were hungry. The fact that the two parties would be racing for the cutting board to see who got to slice some Saskatchewan doesn't make it the fault of the parties and absolve the populace.

The prairie Canadians make a lot more sense to me and look a lot more like home to me than lots of Californians. I'd probably begrudge them senators less in a lot of ways than I do those coasters you're speaking for.

I am expecting Biden sealed teh deal after calling another voter a piece of **** at a car plant

That crap drives me insane.

 

[Patine]

In Italy it led to Berlusconi misshaping the country in his image and Mexico has become a narco-state in which the drug cartels often show themselves to be stronger than the actual military. Destruction without a plan doesn't work like magic, unfortunately.

It's a bad habit to use the exact same contextual result of an idea proposed as though it's a generic, universal criticism. Please stop!

 

[adcarrymaokai]

I don’t think Joe Biden is great either but he would be by far the lesser evil.

If it's between Trump and Biden, then Trump is the lesser evil. At least he will have only 4 years left, whereas Biden might potentially get 8 and do far more damage.

 

[Birdjaguar]

The prairie Canadians make a lot more sense to me and look a lot more like home to me than lots of Californians. I'd probably begrudge them senators less in a lot of ways than I do those coasters you're speaking for.

Are you advocating annexation then?

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

That crap drives me insane.

Yeah same. Whether or not a voter is being a piece of **** doesn't matter, like, you're running for president dude. At least be better than that.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Are you advocating annexation then?

Clearly that would be one form of eating them for breakfast.

 

[Patine]

Nah, I like most Canadians. I would feel the same way about your post if it were made by Greeks, bearing gifts or Aussies or even a Brit. Our system is our system and advocating the change necessary to turn it into something different is quite pointless. We will not have an constitutional convention anytime soon and when we do, I'm pretty sure a multi party system will not be on the agenda. Therefore any such talk is ridiculous and naive. It would be like me repeatedly advocating that a two-party American style system be implemented in Canada. Now I will say that an American style government would improve the situation in Russia, even if it was in its current state.

You seem to get it, do you? I'm aware of my powerlessness to change the American system. However, that doesn't mean I am OBLIGED to make no criticisms of it, or ways it could and should be improved, and to even point out it's flaws as the crippling issues they are. I don't know where you get this, "criticize only your own, to criticize others is an insult and overstepping your bounds," ludicrosity that, frankly, is unique to you that I have encountered on the Internet (at least you hasn't otherwise also been a brain dead idiot), it is your attitude in this regard that I find an insult and overstepping YOUR bounds.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah same. Whether or not a voter is being a piece of **** doesn't matter, like, you're running for president dude. At least be better than that.

He should have just grabbed them by the genitals.

Oh.

Wait.

That's actually not better!

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Also lol @ the people expecting a Warren endorsement. Hello? She has been on Maddow talking about bernie bros and went on SNL to take selfies with Kate McKinnon. Warren is a grifter who is just raking in the media attention and riding the astroturfed pseudowoke identity politics and fake "girl power" for personal gain. We are facing a huge market crash, our healthcare is absolutely incapable of handling the potential coronavirus pandemic, and half a million of people are sleeping in the streets? Who cares, we had a *woman* running for the Democratic nomination!11!!! UwU One whole woman, and a Native American woman at that.

Elizabeth Warren reminds me of the white suffragettes who said they would rather cut their arms off than let black people vote. It's the same energy that white suburban "feminists" have when they see Nancy Pelosi clapping at Trump or ripping his speech apart—as if with every torn page of Trump's speech a child was freed from the cages.

She was never a progressive and never an ally to the progressive movement. She was simply doing things that benefitted her. The sooner you come to realize and accept it, the sooner you can move on.

 

[Patine]

I take it that you edited out the part about USians taken collectively having no conscience and eating Canada for breakfast if they got hungry for a reason. Care to share what that reason is, or should we just speculate that it was too scary and likely to be the truth for you to deal with it?

I'm sure my personal Internet commentary as a private citizen will be a great casus belli for war in this day and age... :S

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm sure my personal Internet commentary as a private citizen will be a great casus belli for war in this day and age... :S

You may have noticed that the US abandoned all pretense regarding the need for a casus belli quite some time ago. If we eat Canada and someone says "hey, WTH, why'd you do that?" our most likely reply is a burp.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

He should have just grabbed them by the genitals.

Oh.

Wait.

That's actually not better!

It's definitely worse! We just had like 10 candidates who were all better in this regard (being nice to people) than Biden.

 

[Farm Boy]

Are you advocating annexation then?

Clearly that would be one form of eating them for breakfast.

Nah, I would defer to the Studetenadians. I just generally like them.

 

[Takhisis]

It's a bad habit to use the exact same contextual result of an idea proposed as though it's a generic, universal criticism. Please stop!

What?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It's definitely worse! We just had like 10 candidates who were all better in this regard (being nice to people) than Biden.

You're maybe talking to the wrong guy here. Remember, I am the one who has the reputation for just calling a liar a liar when they lie. I'm nice enough, but that doesn't mean I have to let people avoid responsibility for their actions. So I don't really expect it from my politicians. If someone is being a jerk, tell them they are being a jerk and that being a jerk can have consequences. Why not?