I'd answer with a proverbial ‘και τα δυο’, myself.
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She voted to invade Iraq, armed Syrian rebels leading to a civil war, the refugee crisis and the rise of ISIS, and she was complicit in the fall of Libya. She's a drug warrior, you know, all those 'super predators' she identified in support of the 1994 crime legislation the Democrats passed. Trump signed a bill into law that gives some relief to the victims of the drug war. The trail of blood she left behind is long, wide and deep.
Last time i checked Clinton couldn't find a war (or unilateral bombing) that she didn't like.
And she had the offensive arrogance to boot to claim i had "no memory".
You almost sound as if you harbored antipathy for me on a personal level.
Huh?
I was about to feel bad for you in the case of the untimely demise of the Great Ms. Ginsburg.
(Seeing how she harbors all manner of vile ideas congruent with my views on my other pet subject.)
But since sympathy on the part of scum such as myself would surely distrub you i will restrain my self.
You almost sound as if you harbored antipathy for me on a personal level.
Huh?
I was about to feel bad for you in the case of the untimely demise of the Great Ms. Ginsburg.
(Seeing how she harbors all manner of vile ideas congruent with my views on my other pet subject.)
But since sympathy on the part of scum such as myself would surely distrub you i will restrain my self.
It's not personal antipathy, no worries. It's more weariness at the sarcasm and the relentless drumbeat of "Clinton is the devil incarnate, feminism is destroying the world, and I really don't care what damage conservatives do to you as long as they're against feminism" that's so wearisome. That, and the whole "you people" phase of weekly anti-feminist crusading. I don't hate you, but I do wish you'd notice that every sin you ascribe to Clinton (other than feminism) is a way of life for the GOP and yet you are conspicuously silent or apologetic towards them.
You almost sound as if you harbored antipathy for me on a personal level.
Huh?
I was about to feel bad for you in the case of the untimely demise of the Great Ms. Ginsburg.
(Seeing how she harbors all manner of vile ideas congruent with my views on my other pet subject.)
But since sympathy on the part of scum such as myself would surely distrub you i will restrain my self.
It's not personal antipathy, no worries. It's more weariness at the sarcasm and the relentless drumbeat of "Clinton is the devil incarnate, feminism is destroying the world, and I really don't care what damage conservatives do to you as long as they're against feminism" that's so wearisome. That, and the whole "you people" phase of weekly anti-feminist crusading. I don't hate you, but I do wish you'd notice that every sin you ascribe to Clinton (other than feminism) is a way of life for the GOP and yet you are conspicuously silent or apologetic towards them.
You are allied with a bunch of people who are such bullies that millions of Americans elected Trump over them.
But i'm not really applauding the political malpractice of your allies enough.
So me being really bad becomes sort of a priority here.
Yeah, i can see that.
You are allied with a bunch of people who are such bullies that millions of Americans elected Trump over them.
But i'm not really applauding the political malpractice of your allies enough.
So me being really bad becomes sort of a priority here.
Yeah, i can see that.
Again with the sarcasm. It's not a flattering or helpful habit. I'm not here to persecute you, but it's hard to tell that to someone intent on being offended.
If you really think people voted for the Groper because they were "bullied," you clearly know much less about America than you like to think. And if it's "bullying" you care about, why are you so conspicuously silent on the increase in racial harassment on your boy's watch? Or Trump's bullying of literally anyone who criticizes him, like the Gold Star family or Rosie O'Donnell? Why are you so silent on that, yet you are completely consumed by your fervent, relentless, and grating personal crusade against feminism and anyone to the left of Mussolini? All the while trying to tell us, "Now I'm not far-right, but..."
It's not terribly convincing. I have answers, but you wouldn't like them, and would then go on to post a thread or six about how solar eclipses are the result of Anita Sarkeesian trying to swallow the sun.
So? And she was in the Senate from '01-09' when she got promoted to secy of state where her warmongering could do even more damage. Before all that she was 1st Lady and cheerleader for the crime bills that ruined the lives of millions of people. Yeah, Trump gave her money and thats another one of his sins, but how does that make him worse?
Because there's a difference between people who merely dislike someone, and people who do very little but complain about them in every thread, even when she's a has-been non-factor. It's one thing to think Hillary was a bad candidate responsible for bad things, and another to have this nobody consume your life and become an overriding obsession. Trump hatred is rather different because he's in power and cannot be ignored.
She isn't a has-been non-factor, you asked how anyone can prefer Trump to her. Nobody can answer your question without comparing them. And the people who dislike Hillary dont usually bring her up except when Democrats are telling everyone how stupid they were for not supporting her. When Democrats invite comparisons in their struggle for the moral high ground, her record becomes relevant.
She isn't a has-been non-factor, you asked how anyone can prefer Trump to her. Nobody can answer your question without comparing them. And the people who dislike Hillary dont usually bring her up except when Democrats are telling everyone how stupid they were for not supporting her. When Democrats invite comparisons in their struggle for the moral high ground, her record becomes relevant.
Really? What power does she have? What office does she hold? Which policies does she dictate?
Why is she one of the primary topics on FOX News? Why do right-wing hosts relentlessly mention her?
She is nobody but a failed former politician.
Basically any complaint people have with her equally applies to Trump, or else he hasn't yet had the chance to do it himself. You don't like candidates who wage war on drugs and civilians? Then explain why Trump so ruthlessly prosecuted air strikes in Syria and Iraq with such loss of civilian life. You don't like the war on drugs? Then explain why Trump appointed an AG so fanatic against drugs that he declared marijuana equal to heroin, or why he beats the war drums agains the Mexicans who are supposedly all smuggling drugs. Can you do this without saying "But whatabout Hillary?!" or "But whatabout Obama?!" I doubt it.
Well, it is good that you dont blame her for trump. Afterall she only lost to him and now he is potus. Guess that means she is absolved and comments about her must be bizarre like anything one doesnt get must have just been bizarre.
Though i do agree that if she wont run again she should be forgotten. Yet the general traits remain in the establishment: warmongering and in bed with the plutocrats. Hillary herself wont matter, yet if she is replaced by the same crap it certainly will matter.
You were talking about her before asking how anyone could prefer Trump. Why do you ask people to talk about Trump vs Hillary and then accuse them of obsessing about her? If you think she's preferable, her record is relevant, not Fox.
Basically any complaint people have with her equally applies to Trump, or else he hasn't yet had the chance to do it himself. You don't like candidates who wage war on drugs and civilians? Then explain why Trump so ruthlessly prosecuted air strikes in Syria and Iraq with such loss of civilian life. You don't like the war on drugs? Then explain why Trump appointed an AG so fanatic against drugs that he declared marijuana equal to heroin, or why he beats the war drums agains the Mexicans who are supposedly all smuggling drugs. Can you do this without saying "But whatabout Hillary?!" or "But whatabout Obama?!" I doubt it.
He's trying to extricate us from the Middle East mess she helped create. How is that equal? How did the AG make marijuana equal to heroin? Trump signed into law a reform package to help the thousands of people rotting away in cages for drugs because of people like Hillary. How is that equal? And there you go again, you want us to compare Trump to Hillary without mentioning her record.
Well, it is good that you dont blame her for trump. Afterall she only lost to him and now he is potus. Guess that means she is absolved and comments about her must be bizarre like anything one doesnt get must have just been bizarre.
Though i do agree that if she wont run again she should be forgotten. Yet the general traits remain in the establishment: warmongering and in bed with the plutocrats. Hillary herself wont matter, yet if she is replaced by the same crap it certainly will matter.
Please. Meta and Berzerker here just seem to be out trolling tonight. Especially Meta, I get the feeling he's had a bad day, and I still can't understand why he hates women so much.
Trump's long history of political commentary does not make him out to be a dove or anything. His long personal battles against family drug abuse always made him friendly to the drug war. He is the relevant president and since we mentioned it he himself is a repeated bully and his voting base has based their votes on bullying people they view as below them.
Deplorable indeed.
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You were talking about her before asking how anyone could prefer Trump. Why do you ask people to talk about Trump vs Hillary and then accuse them of obsessing about her? If you think she's preferable, her record is relevant, not Fox. He's trying to extricate us from the Middle East mess she helped create. How is that equal? How did the AG make marijuana equal to heroin? Trump signed into law a reform package to help the thousands of people rotting away in cages for drugs because of people like Hillary. How is that equal? And there you go again, you want us to compare Trump to Hillary without mentioning her record.
Please. Meta and Berzerker here just seem to be out trolling tonight. Especially Meta, I get the feeling he's had a bad day, and I still can't understand why he hates women so much.
Trump's long history of political commentary does not make him out to be a dove or anything. His long personal battles against family drug abuse always made him friendly to the drug war. He is the relevant president and since we mentioned it he himself is a repeated bully and his voting base has based their votes on bullying people they view as below them.
Please. Meta and Berzerker here just seem to be out trolling tonight. Especially Meta, I get the feeling he's had a bad day, and I still can't understand why he hates women so much.
Trump's long history of political commentary does not make him out to be a dove or anything. His long personal battles against family drug abuse always made him friendly to the drug war. He is the relevant president and since we mentioned it he himself is a repeated bully and his voting base has based their votes on bullying people they view as below them.
From what I understand, accusing people of trolling is considered trolling by the forum oligarchs. If Trump was friendly to the drug war he wouldn't have reduced the penalties. Trump's been on TV for years, he was surrounded by drug users. Just look at the panel that roasted him on comedy central. I'd bet money one or more of his kids has used. Yes, indeed. So why were you complaining about condescension?
From what I understand, accusing people of trolling is considered trolling by the forum oligarchs. If Trump was friendly to the drug war he wouldn't have reduced the penalties. Trump's been on TV for years, he was surrounded by drug users. Just look at the panel that roasted him on comedy central. I'd bet money one or more of his kids has used. Yes, indeed. So why were you complaining about condescension?
You were talking about her before asking how anyone could prefer Trump. Why do you ask people to talk about Trump vs Hillary and then accuse them of obsessing about her? If you think she's preferable, her record is relevant, not Fox.
He's trying to extricate us from the Middle East mess she helped create. How is that equal? How did the AG make marijuana equal to heroin? Trump signed into law a reform package to help the thousands of people rotting away in cages for drugs because of people like Hillary. How is that equal? And there you go again, you want us to compare Trump to Hillary without mentioning her record.
Please. Meta and Berzerker here just seem to be out trolling tonight. Especially Meta, I get the feeling he's had a bad day, and I still can't understand why he hates women so much.
Trump's long history of political commentary does not make him out to be a dove or anything. His long personal battles against family drug abuse always made him friendly to the drug war. He is the relevant president and since we mentioned it he himself is a repeated bully and his voting base has based their votes on bullying people they view as below them.
Berzerker isn't trolling, he's just inconsistent. I don't think Meta hates women, but he has devoted his presence on CFC to a personal crusade against feminism and Hillary and nothing else.
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