2020 US Election (Part One)

[metalhead]

The irony of liberals cheering for the libertarian rubes on the border who have been stockpiling weapons in case of government overreach.

 

[Phrossack]

The irony of liberals cheering for the libertarian rubes on the border who have been stockpiling weapons in case of government overreach.

Perhaps a few are slowly waking to the fact that it's dangerous for most of the guns to be in the hands of authoritarians while they themselves are defenseless.

I'm beginning to think American democracy cannot survive when there is a clash between armed authoritarian militias and unarmed democracy supporters, and that's what it likely will come down to.

 

[Sommerswerd]

*somewhere a mirror shatters*

followed by the Stone Cold Steve Austin theme song...

 

[Berzerker]

A problem with the wall is that a huge portion of the land they need to put it on is already privately owned and the owners don't want to sell it to the government.

Trump used eminent domain to try kicking a woman out of her home so he could build a parking lot for his casino, he lost, the court sided with her. But this time Trump will win in court if he presses it, 'for the public good' includes border infrastructure, not his casino.

 

[onejayhawk]

Wasting billions of dollars on a vanity project while millions of Americans starve.

This is the first time I ever heard of basic law enforcement called vain.

Most immigrants aren't criminals, if the criminals dont want to risk a legal entry then crossing the border somewhere else becomes a viable option.

This is, of course, the point. The idea is not to stop everything but to gain control of who, when, and how many. It is also a matter of enforcing the law.

J

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Trump used eminent domain to try kicking a woman out of her home so he could build a parking lot for his casino, he lost, the court sided with her. But this time Trump will win in court if he presses it, 'for the public good' includes border infrastructure, not his casino.

Eh, I give it 50/50. As much as I whing about Republicans stuffing the judiciary, I do agree it would take particular jurisprudence malpractice to side with him on this issue. Then again, we did just get the surprise! ACA ruling from Texas so who knows.

We're not so hot on rule of law at the moment.

 

[Birdjaguar]

This whole Elizabeth Warren kerfuffle has really revealed the degree to which white liberals are willing to ignore and dismiss the concerns of Native Ameican people which is disappointing but not surprising

How much time have you spent actually working with Native American tribes and their economic and health concerns? You might be surprised to hear what they think about how to handle their concerns.

Warren could apologize and say that she is not a Native American and acknowledge her role in allowing Harvard to use her in a way that arguably was to the detriment of actual Native Americans.

Many tribes use blood quantum as an important factor in who they allow into their tribes. There is no standard and tribes are all over the map on what amount, if any, is required. Native American ancestry is wholly different. I've been told that my Louisiana ancestors have some Choctaw blood.

She has Native American ancestry; it doesn't follow from this that she is Native American in any really meaningful sense. That's what prompts the allegation that she misrepresented herself to the detriment of Native people. That's not really fair. Lex has said that she should recognising that what she did was kinda sketchy, and apologise for it. No self-immolation is required.

Perhaps the Senate Republicans should hold hearings on the matter and in a few years we will have another Hillary email result.

Did EW screw up, probably. How will this failure impact her presidency if she were to win? Not a jot.

 

[Lexicus]

How much time have you spent actually working with Native American tribes and their economic and health concerns? You might be surprised to hear what they think about how to handle their concerns.

I'm going off words written by tribal authorities saying that Warren's actions were against tribal interests.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I'm going off words written by tribal authorities saying that Warren's actions were against tribal interests.

There are ~500 distinct NA tribes in the US that are sovereign nations. Be very careful of accepting one or two data points as representative of anything other than their opinions.

 

[Lexicus]

There are ~500 distinct NA tribes in the US that are sovereign nations. Be very careful of accepting one or two data points as representative of anything other than their opinions.

Can you find an example of a tribal authority applauding Warren's handling of this issue?

 

[Birdjaguar]

Can you find an example of a tribal authority applauding Warren's handling of this issue?

How about, at least, 400 or more tribes that have ignored it?

 

[onejayhawk]

How about, at least, 400 or more tribes that have ignored it?

You state that like it was important. Why? If anything, silence is taken as agreement, not opposition.

J

 

[Birdjaguar]

You state that like it was important. Why? If anything, silence is taken as agreement, not opposition.

J

Not with the tribes I'm familiar with. Tribal politics that are external rather than internal are mostly focused on D of Interior issues over land and rights. A white lady who most of them don't know would raise few concerns no matter what she claimed about her personal ancestry. Tribes want what they want from the government, try to get it and then pretty much ignore the outside world unless they depend upon non natives to fill their casinos and gas stations. Maybe some Cherokees have an opinion. But to be considered for Cherokee membership you need 1/16th Cherokee blood. Not very much. I've dealt with tribes and tribal leadership in both NM and WA; I have found that mostly they ignore things that do not impact them directly and would rather not be bothered. The more traditional a tribe is, the less their interest. Silence on their part is not agreement, but indifference.

 

[Gori the Grey]

If anything, silence is taken as agreement, not opposition.

If this matter were ever somehow to make it to the Supreme Court, there's one justice we know will be on board with that principle.

 

[onejayhawk]

Not with the tribes I'm familiar with. Tribal politics that are external rather than internal are mostly focused on D of Interior issues over land and rights. A white lady who most of them don't know would raise few concerns no matter what she claimed about her personal ancestry. Tribes want what they want from the government, try to get it and then pretty much ignore the outside world unless they depend upon non natives to fill their casinos and gas stations. Maybe some Cherokees have an opinion. But to be considered for Cherokee membership you need 1/16th Cherokee blood. Not very much. I've dealt with tribes and tribal leadership in both NM and WA; I have found that mostly they ignore things that do not impact them directly and would rather not be bothered. The more traditional a tribe is, the less their interest. Silence on their part is not agreement, but indifference.

You do your case no favors. From what you just stated, you should be agreeing with Lexicus.

J

 

[Takhisis]

You do your case no favors.

Why do you read every post as though it contained something written by you?

 

[Birdjaguar]

You do your case no favors. From what you just stated, you should be agreeing with Lexicus.

J

I am not trying to defend EW, just set the record straight on how tribes think about things.There is a time for political spin and there is a time for plain talk.

 

[Zkribbler]

Can you find an example of a tribal authority applauding Warren's handling of this issue?

Good lord, are you still baying at this moon?

 

[Berzerker]

most Indians dont care if a white woman advanced her career on the backs of their ancestors

 

[Zkribbler]

most Indians dont care if a white woman advanced her career on the backs of their ancestors

I realize it's against your religion to talk about Elizabeth Warren's policies, but just in case you wish to dabble in a little heresy, here's a few of them:

Warren believes that America has both a short-term and a long-term jobs problem. Warren notes that China spends 9% of its GDP on infrastructure, and Europe spends about 5% of GDP, while the US is spending only 2.4% and is looking for cuts. She supports a small tax increase on those making more than $1 million per year to pay for jobs such as rebuilding the roads, bridges, and water systems. She believes that the added money in circulation would help to build the economy as well.

Warren has a long record of working to assist self-employed workers and small businesses. She believes small business owners "need straightforward rules that any small business can deal with" rather than the present situation of "complex regulations that take an army of lawyers to work through." Warren supports making it easier for workers to organize for better wages, for better health care, and for better working conditions

Warren is in favor of increasing the minimum wage and has argued that if the minimum wage had followed increases in worker productivity in the United States, it would now be at least $22 an hour.