2020 US Election (Part One)

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Will she exempt foreign laborers from the increased minimum wage? Does she support ending the war on drugs or just pot? Will she continue Trump's trade war or restore the status quo? Will she get rid of the walls on the border? I like some of her stuff, she sounds 'isolationist' enough and we need watchdogs on Wall St if we're stuck bailing them out.
 
Moderator Action: More discussion and less sniping at each other would be good. Thank you.
 
I'd love to see the list for Republican. ;)
 
It's in the article. Here's the graphic from four years ago though it's not looking very good in hindsight.

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I was expecting different category labels
 
I'd love to see the list for Republican. ;)

Easy. 1-5 per his list but replace "left" with "right". 3, 4 and 5 aren't monolithic voting blocks. Demographically they favor one party but their inclusion on the list over other things is arbitrary so might as well put them on the Republican list too.
 
The republican groups were groups that described the candidates and their electoral base. The democratic groups are the democratic base and how much they like the candidates. So it's a different way of making a list.
 
That might be warranted, Adrienier. Don't get locked into your own formulations.

Trump just took over the blue circle as well. He's not Christian, but his apocalyptic vision (everything's on the brink of utter collapse unless a savior arrives) resonated with them. Also his message of being culturally beset.

If you get two of five circles in a field of 17, you keep winning a plurality in primary after primary. (plus the green one represents a pretty small sliver, so really 2 of 4)

In light of our discussions of Warren, it's sad that Native Americans don't find a place, even in a kind of "other minorities" nod.
 
most Indians dont care if a white woman advanced her career on the backs of their ancestors
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by stiffing contractors?
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by using Trump U to commit fraud?
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by spreading fake stories in the press and tabloids?
etc.

Your post would be less political spin if it read: most Indians dont care if a white woman misuses her Native American ancestry to advanced her career.
 
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by stiffing contractors?
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by using Trump U to commit fraud?
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by spreading fake stories in the press and tabloids?
etc.
Trump is smart.
 
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by stiffing contractors?
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by using Trump U to commit fraud?
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by spreading fake stories in the press and tabloids?
etc.

Your post would be less political spin if it read: most Indians dont care if a white woman misuses her Native American ancestry to advanced her career.

I mean. Those things all annoy me, but they're a relatively small blip in the deluge of **** I have to:

1) Deal with in my day-to-day
2) Reckon with in this administration and government
3) Complain about/scrutinize regarding Trump the president and Trump the human being.

It's like people who vocalize about how Trump hired a quack doctor to forge his physical to say he's in peak shape. Ok. Cool. Meanwhile, the dude is putting people in camps, throwing kids in cages, threatening to withhold emergency relief funds for political reasons, and doing everything in his power to accelerate the destruction of the planet. I have bigger things to worry about, and if I wanted to gripe about Trump or his presidency, I have much more ready ammunition than his obvious and well-documented vanity.

I don't and have not spent much time around Native American people, and therefore I'm in no position to speak for, to, or even about what they think and how they feel with any kind of authority. But given what I know about the state of Native American communities today, and what I know about the US's treatment of Native American communities as a historical process, I would imagine it's much the same. Another white person wants to play Indian princess or whatever. Cool. Meanwhile, Native American communities had their right to vote stolen from them in this midterm, Trump opened his administration by executing instance #573829 of the US government tearing up a previously sovereign, legally binding treaty because they wanted something in the territory the treaty was supposed to protect, and Native American communities still experience some of the worst poverty and unemployment rates, and some of the greatest estrangement from access to government services in the country.

However, that doesn't make the critiques and rebukes which her action has brought about any less valid or warranted, as here or here, nor does it mean that white people aren't right to criticize it as superfluous or ultimately self-defeating, which it has since been proven to be. I think more to the point it was a worrying decision because it belies a lack of big-picture political thinking on Warren's part, more so than it reveals her to be some big secret Racist (or even a little one). Whatever that test revealed, it was obvious that Trump was going to ignore and deny, as he always does when someone tries to demonstrate his wrongness or racism, and it was also obvious that unless the test revealed a very high quantum people were going to interpret the results as evidence that Warren is a fraud and Trump was justified in his attacks. Revealing the results of that test, and in particular attempting to dominate the political consciousness to trumpet an absurd nothingburger of a result achieved nothing in demonstrating Trump to be a coward and a liar (which the majority of this country already knew anyway) and will be an albatross that will weigh her down at every turn over the next two years.
 
will be an albatross that will weigh her down at every turn over the next two years.
I'm not sure. I think she might turn it to her advantage.

"You know what? I now realize that when I processed my family's claims that I have Native American heritage, I always thought about what that meant for me, without ever really trying to acquaint myself with what Native American heritage means to Native Americans. I'm going to find out. In every state in which I campaign, I'm going to make a point of setting aside time for at least one meeting with Native Americans in that state, to learn what their struggles are and how our country could serve them better." Then do it. Then come back with some policy proposals that are a result of having done it.
 
That's pretty disingenuous considering the way you decline to speak of Trump's policies. Tomato, tomahto.

:dubious: huh?
I've talked about how his tax cut has turned out to be a trillion-dollar nothingburger, not increasing manufacturing.
I've talked about how his touted regulation cuts are really a war on the environment, on labor laws, and on consumer protection.
I've talked about how his refusal to put his assets into a blind trust has resulted in him violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.
I've talked about his unconscionable pardons of Joe Arpaio and Scooter Libby.
I've talked about his embracing white nationalists.
I've talked about his unconstitutional Muslim bans.
I've talked about the stupidity of his trade wars.
I've talked about his cutting and running from Syria.
I've talked about his phony nuclear deescalation agreement with North Korea.
I've talked about him filling his cabinet with plutocratic swamp monsters.
I've talked about his financial abandonment of hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico.
I've talked about him attempting to extort the President of Panama into unconstitutionally intervening in a court case to back Trump Inc.
I might have mentioned The Wall. :mischief:
Please, onejayhawk. No more slow hanging curve balls. :please:
BTW: I supported Trump in his retaliation against Syria's nerve gas attack :salute: and, not mentioned by anyone anywhere, recently he named a post office after the deceased son of the Gold Star family he got in a tiff with at the nominating convention. That was a classy thing to do. :goodjob:
 

And its just not true, I was talking about Warren's policies before he started accusing me of ignoring her policies. But thanks for defending me.

How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by stiffing contractors? How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by using Trump U to commit fraud? How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by spreading fake stories in the press and tabloids?
etc.

Your post would be less political spin if it read: most Indians dont care if a white woman misuses her Native American ancestry to advanced her career.

Enough that I didn't vote for him and wont in 2020, Trump first appeared on my radar back when he tried using eminent domain to oust a homeowner - he thinks the public good includes business. Did anyone defend Trump's stealing? If they did I'd let 'em know I disagree. This forum is loaded with Democrats and like-minded people, who am I supposed to debate about Trump U if everyone is on the same side? Now thats political spin, if I was Indian I'd be laughing and calling her Pocahontas too. How did people react to Rachel Dolezal? I thought cultural appropriation was taboo on the left.
 
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by stiffing contractors?
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by using Trump U to commit fraud?
How upset are you that Trump advanced his career by spreading fake stories in the press and tabloids?
etc.
How upset is @Berzerker knowing that Trump stole from him and every other tax payer for years on end with tax evasion and fraud?
 
I'm not sure. I think she might turn it to her advantage.

"You know what? I now realize that when I processed my family's claims that I have Native American heritage, I always thought about what that meant for me, without ever really trying to acquaint myself with what Native American heritage means to Native Americans. I'm going to find out. In every state in which I campaign, I'm going to make a point of setting aside time for at least one meeting with Native Americans in that state, to learn what their struggles are and how our country could serve them better." Then do it. Then come back with some policy proposals that are a result of having done it.

You know, you may be identifying somewhat hyperbolically with the role of press for the dems; sadly they act and speak differently :)

Imo one of reasons bernie (or cortez in the future) are so good prospects for potus is that they express the analogous enthusiasts in the dem party. The dem activists are more refined than the gop ones. The establishment is terrible in both parties.
 
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