2020 US Election (Part One)

[rah]

Yeah, I do agree. And the richer states probably should be donating some to the poorer ones like Kansas.

 

[Farm Boy]

<3 <3 <3 Thank you for supporting us Glencoe, we'd be lost without ooo! <3 <3 <3

 

[El_Machinae]

It's not obviously freeloading. Even if every state had full employment and high productivity, with a single currency system you will always have spending disparities. It's built into the mathematics

 

[rah]

Yes and some of that payback is in things like defense contracts which while benefiting the country but also helps the local areas that they are in. And that is sometimes based on the clout of their senators. So it's not a clean comparison but some might still consider that a type of subsidy. But in the end blue state money is being funneled to red states.

 

[Berzerker]

Kansas is funneling money to blue states

 

[Arakhor]

Unless you have some new and unrevealed source, Kansas not taking federal subsidies does not show that it is actively giving money to "blue" states.

I'm also wondering what this has to do with the 2020 election?

 

[Sommerswerd]

That's only one way to look at it. I think a better guide is the total amount given to the feds vs total amount awarded back. This site shows that
https://www.governing.com/week-in-finance/gov-taxpayers-10-states-give-more-feds-than-get-back.htmlhttps://www.governing.com/week-in-finance/gov-taxpayers-10-states-give-more-feds-than-get-back.html
And Kansas doesn't look as good. And it show the blues states give more total than they get back so yes they do subsidize the red states.

I live in MA, one of the biggest "donor states" and I work in CT, another "donor state" so I have to pay taxes there as well...

Get off my teats you muther-effing freeloaders!!

Spoiler :

Kansas is funneling money to blue states

No its not... as @rah's source shows.

 

[Farm Boy]

Who cares? Glencoe reds apparently make Illinois run because they make all those lazy blue pipefitters on the south side eating red rube food and yadda yadda state lines and vocalized stupid?

Either way, there's going to be some bitter when Glencoe arsewads dictate policing to south side guys, and when south side guys dictate soil conservation to country guys ... and guess what, everybody is going to be mad at California. Except when they're being useful specifically to you. And hell, they're welcome for all the Federal water, I'm sure.

Heresies of God Money abound.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Doesn't California have a higher GDP then some european countries...?

 

[Arakhor]

If it were an independent country, California would supposedly have the fifth largest economy in the world.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Who cares? Glencoe reds apparently make Illinois run because they make all those lazy blue pipefitters on the south side eating red rube food and yadda yadda state lines and vocalized stupid?

Nope... Illinois is a "donor state" so you're on our team whether you like it or not ... Give yourself to the dark siiiide... it is the only way to save your friends... yessss... your thoughts betray you... your feelings for them are stronk...

If it were an independent country, California would supposedly have the fifth largest economy in the world.

Secede! Secede! Secede!

 

[Takhisis]

C'mon, Sommer, admit that you just want to lead the Quel'thalas New California Republic Rangers to take over the entire Western seaboard.

I'm also wondering what this has to do with the 2020 election?

Taxation and allocation of resources is one of the major issues at stake in the election.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

That was a Rasmussen opinion poll

"According to a 2018 Rasmussen report, 61% of American adults think there are too many people receiving government financial aid. On the other hand, only 9% think not enough people are receiving funds."

that has nothing to do with the methodology behind the study

Nobody said Kansas pays more in taxes than California, the research argues Kansas gets back less in proportion. That means no other state can claim to subsidize Kansas, but Kansas does subsidize other states. Tim called us freeloaders while he purposely avoids paying income taxes because he's mad at red state freeloaders. He's a freeloader and if his means of avoiding income taxes involves unreported income he's also violating the law to be a freeloader. Now if you want to argue California subsidizes states more dependent on federal dollars, thats why Kansas is subsidizing California.



You dont think 'we the people' pay the salaries of government employees? You ungrateful monster

I wasn't a government employee and I am not any kind of employee as of now

 

[Sommerswerd]

C'mon, Sommer, admit that you just want to lead the Quel'thalas New California Republic Rangers to take over the entire Western seaboard.

Nope... Horde all the way... For da buhning blade-dah!

On topic -

I am pretty frustrated with the constant coverage of racist things Trump said because it's basically only meant as clickbait. There is nothing he can say or do that will change the outlook of his supporters and the media is milking outrage in a way that gives him constant coverage that feeds his base more than anything else. Our media needs some serious reforms as I hold them responsible for Trump's rise. If they hadn't given him wall to wall coverage from the moment he announced and fed off all the outrage, he likely wouldn't have made the nomination in the first place. And now all they're doing is feeding the fire.

I mean even when he says outrageously racist things, the media takes such a non-confrontational stance over it that it's pathetic. Even the way they frame the questions are pathetic. They don't ask, 'Why do you say racist things?', they instead ask questions like 'Do you think the things you say is racist?', which smacks of both-sidedness and gives him a platform to simultaneously deny he's being a bigot while doubling down on bigotry. I get that the media is supposed to be neutral but they create false equivalencies either directly or through omission and therefore take sides.

The news really is getting completely played like a fiddle by Trump and his random racist rants and other assorted ridiculous tweets. We already know about Trump's racism and sexism. Him telling minority female members of Congress to "go back to Africa" adds nothing to that. But the issue that the news was previously focused on, which this outrage has supplanted, was of actual import, the census. What's worse, is that the census battle was already fully highlighting his racism, but on an actual issue of importance. Now that has been pushed aside for this less meaningful example of the same thing.

 

[El_Machinae]

I am not any kind of employee as of now

This is intolerable

 

[Berzerker]

Unless you have some new and unrevealed source, Kansas not taking federal subsidies does not show that it is actively giving money to "blue" states.

I'm also wondering what this has to do with the 2020 election?

After several pages of people trashing Kansas I looked up a stat showing Kansas is not a free loader state... And then naturally you show up to complain about me being OT as if I started us down this path. Not taking subsidies (your characterization) means blue states that do are getting money from Kansas.

No its not... as @rah's source shows.

Where did Kansas rank in his link? Any blue states ahead of Kansas on the gravy train? My link shows it as the state least dependent on government for 2016-17.

I wasn't a government employee and I am not any kind of employee as of now

Then why did you defend relying on taxes? Contractor? Whats the deal?

 

[rah]

My link shows it as the state least dependent on government for 2016-17.

Based on a different standard than I posted. And being in research as long as I have, you can find numbers to prove anything if you use the right definition.
I think comparing the total amount a state gives the fed and what they get back is a more true definition. Hard to twist that definition.

 

[Berzerker]

methodologies differ, but where did Kansas rank in your link?

there are more studies ranking the states and Kansas is consistently among the least dependent on federal $$$.

 

[Sommerswerd]

there are more studies ranking the states and Kansas is consistently among the least dependent on federal $$$.

Again, irrelevant. It doesn't matter how many studies say Kansas isn't dependent on the Fed or is less dependent on the Fed than other states. None of that equates to subsidizing other states, which is what you were claiming. Those are two separate things which are not dependent on each other. You keep insisting on conflating them as if they are the same thing... which they are not.

 

[Berzerker]

who do you think pays for the subsidies?

you guys were claiming Kansas is subsidized by other states but when you find out it aint true you change your argument.