Patine, you really need to step back and relax. And stop with insulting everyone and your ridiculous hyperboles, you are doing exactly what you're accusing everyone else of (as
@Gorbles has pointed out)
Some things to consider:
- You make up peoples' arguments. What's this "solution" you keep talking about? You don't seem to understand at all. Maybe yell and scream less, and actually listen to people, and you might learn something. You seem to be arguing against something you've made up in your head.
- You sound a lot like a Trump blowhard in your style, in anything you don't like you basically declare as "FAKE NEWS!", "SLANDER!", and what have you ... you don't actually ever respond to peoples' points, you just throw a tantrum and denigrate people in an effort to avoid any real discussion.
- Your hypocrisy and double-standards are both sickening. Please treat others as you wish to be treated. Please stop with the yelling and silly, repetitive adjectives.
- You sound like a raving lunatic, mostly because of these above points. Any ideas you're trying to get across are being completely lost in your style, which seems to be an abusive form of arguing. I feel that if we were having this conversation in real life, we'd all be giving in to you because you're going by volume, tone, and verbal violence (and IRL probably exaggerated and threatening physical movements) to try to bully us into giving up.
- You keep calling yourself the only "rational" and "sane" person here, and as above your posts don't display any of this. If you feel a need to say it so much, that's typically because it isn't true.
- When discussing an issue, it's very disingenuous to try to say "Well what about ..." something else, no matter how closely you think it's related. This doesn't matter (it's like if you get pulled over by a police officer for speeding, do you think she's going to listen to you saying "You can't give me a ticket unless you give one to this other person I saw running a red light last week"?) If we're talking about Republicans trying to systematically destroy the lives of LGBTQ people in America, bringing up some other issue from some other place or time to try to trick people into some kind of "gotcha" is literally whataboutism. You say you hate people bringing this word up, well you keep seeing it because you keep doing it.
- Please stop using that "neo-manichean" label. No one here subscribes to Manichean philosophy, you honestly sound like you've just come out of some weird boot camp or something where you learned this word.
Some things to think about what other people are saying:
- No one's suggesting some "mass extermination of anyone labelled as fascist" that you seem to be arguing against (and you accuse others of putting words in your mouth)
- Cloud_Strife is saying she has a right to defend herself from organized threats against her life and wellbeing
- I am saying I'm willing to forgive oppressed people, who out of desperation and frustration act out when they're feeling afraid and trapped by our establishment, act out in a way I wouldn't normally approve of. I still don't like their methods, but I'm
far more concerned that they feel they're down to no other choice. I consider the immediate and real threat people face from a growing and terrifying part of our society, who are methodically taking over our government and law enforcement, to be much more severe than any imagined threat from "What happens if these oppressed people start feeling safe, are they going to become the oppressors?"
- My last sentence above reminds me of something I read years ago, which was basically about how "Men don't want women getting into power, because they fear once women have power they're going to treat men as they've always treated women." This sort of thing goes for pretty much any group that white-Christian-heterosexual-cisgender men have abused and oppressed.
- When you argue against us, especially with how passionate you are, you really give us the impression you're one of two things: 1) someone who just doesn't give a [bleep] about anyone but yourself, so as long as you're safe and getting yours, everyone else can just deal, or 2) someone who actually wants these types of dangerous and hate-fueled regimes to take over. If you're neither of these, then I feel you really need to step back and listen (instead of yelling) to what you're really going against.
@Gorbles and
@Cloud_Strife my suggestion is that if
@Patine can't converse like a big boy, we all just give up on this and future conversations. You just can't have an intelligent discussion with someone like this.