2020 US Election (Part One)

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Of course. It does baffle me how working class people across the political spectrum keep believing these politicians that come from the wealthy elite actually care about them.

"The poors" don't actually think this, there are just more important things (to them) they vote for, and I hate how arrogant and stuck up this viewpoint is.

 

[Hygro]

"Problems with her campaign" includes how she treated her staff like garbage. Which I find funny because she isn't the only Democrat candidate to have staffers complain about their working conditions or pay. The irony of candidates that claim to be "for the workers" treating their own workers poorly isn't lost on me.

When I worked for the housing program which is a social justice org at my university, the internal treatment of us the workers was exactly counter to their mission, and those like me highly committed to the social justice aspect were not given any love. The hypocrisy doesn’t undermine the value of the mission but I am painfully aware how many sharks are in the game to tear down others to advance themselves when there isn’t performance based pay but is an ideology to salute to, in public.

Props to @Kyriakos months back for calling Harris as not a big player in the race.

 

[Sommerswerd]

"Problems with her campaign" includes how she treated her staff like garbage.

Yep, that would be just one of numerous "problems with her campaign" claimed by the recently defected staffer.

Though I have to admit that a cop who "treats people like garbage" isn't really a stretch for me to picture. #blacklivesmatter

 

[Lexicus]

But the US did get richer. Admittedly, making everybody its debtors, taking all the best minds in the world, and not having to reconstruct because it was the only major power whose own mainland hadn't been occupied, bombed, and/or pillaged helped a part, but still.

Individual =/= state

 

[onejayhawk]

I just checked. It has been more than a dozen pages since I last posted in this thread. Strange.

As the end of the year approaches, the Democratic field has thinned significantly. All of the leading players are walking wounded. Does anyone have a real clue who will come out of Super Tuesday (3 March) with the lead? Will that person win? Can any of them win the general?

These are all becoming pressing questions, timewise.

J

 

[rah]

Three months is a long time in the election cycle.

 

[Commodore]

"The poors" don't actually think this, there are just more important things (to them) they vote for, and I hate how arrogant and stuck up this viewpoint is.

That's hard to believe when you see a bunch of (supposedly) working class people at rallies or other events for a candidate and they say things to the effect of "(insert candidate name) really cares about the workers!" when asked why they are voting or supporting a particular candidate. So either those people are lying for some reason or they really believe whatever millionaire/billionaire candidate they are rooting for really cares about them.

 

[Broken_Erika]

If i run for office, my slogan's gonna be "I almost care"

 

[Lexicus]

When I worked for the housing program which is a social justice org at my university, the internal treatment of us the workers was exactly counter to their mission, and those like me highly committed to the social justice aspect were not given any love. The hypocrisy doesn’t undermine the value of the mission but I am painfully aware how many sharks are in the game to tear down others to advance themselves when there isn’t performance based pay but is an ideology to salute to, in public.

Props to @Kyriakos months back for calling Harris as not a big player in the race.

While I was working at my previous job I literally heard a local business manager (this is what the #1 executive position in a local is called) go on a rant about people trying to bring "social justice issues" into unions.
mfw this happened:

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

That's hard to believe when you see a bunch of (supposedly) working class people at rallies or other events for a candidate and they say things to the effect of "(insert candidate name) really cares about the workers!" when asked why they are voting or supporting a particular candidate. So either those people are lying for some reason or they really believe whatever millionaire/billionaire candidate they are rooting for really cares about them.

I would suggest you ignore the rallies. They're such a small subset of voters and far and away the extremes of political fandom. When we look at wide swaths of voters and why they vote the way they do, there are a billion other things at play before "this rich person cares about non rich people." That was not why people voted for Trump, for instance, or Hillary. Working class people aren't all being taken to the cleaners or dumb or whatever, or if they are... whatever it is you're saying, absolutely no more so than every other income bracket.

 

[Hygro]

While I was working at my previous job I literally heard a local business manager (this is what the #1 executive position in a local is called) go on a rant about people trying to bring "social justice issues" into unions.
mfw this happened:

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Haha amazing. I think social justice promoting institutions are easily corruptible by their nature but we need them and duh unions.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Can any of them win the general?

To this, the answer is "yes." Any of them can win the general.

 

[rah]

Only apathy can defeat them.

 

[onejayhawk]

To this, the answer is "yes." Any of them can win the general.

Not unless something significant changes before voting.

Only apathy can defeat them.

Don't kid yourself.

A recent Emerson poll shows 34.5% of blacks approve of the job Trump is doing. For Hispanics, the same number is 38.2%. For everyone, the number was 48.3% approval, this was a good poll for Trump. Somewhat related, the party breakdown is 69.5% D, 13.1% R, 17.3% I for blacks, and 55.8% D, 16.8% R, 27.4% I for Hispanics.

The link is below. You will need to download the poll and go to the Tables page to get breakdowns by ethnicity.
November National Poll: Support for Impeachment Declines; Biden and Sanders Lead Democratic Primary

The numbers support a long-term pattern shown by Rassmussen--34% of blacks approve, 26% strongly approve on 22 November, with similar number going back for several months.

I leave it to you why Trump's support in the black community is higher than the combined percentage of Republicans and independents. Personally, I think jobs and the First Step Act are also deeply involved. Also, it's OK that Trump talks trash, because they respect that he stands his ground and won't eat sh__.

 

[Estebonrober]

Not unless something significant changes before voting.


Don't kid yourself.

A recent Emerson poll shows 34.5% of blacks approve of the job Trump is doing. For Hispanics, the same number is 38.2%. For everyone, the number was 48.3% approval, this was a good poll for Trump. Somewhat related, the party breakdown is 69.5% D, 13.1% R, 17.3% I for blacks, and 55.8% D, 16.8% R, 27.4% I for Hispanics.

The link is below. You will need to download the poll and go to the Tables page to get breakdowns by ethnicity.
November National Poll: Support for Impeachment Declines; Biden and Sanders Lead Democratic Primary

The numbers support a long-term pattern shown by Rassmussen--34% of blacks approve, 26% strongly approve on 22 November, with similar number going back for several months.

I leave it to you why Trump's support in the black community is higher than the combined percentage of Republicans and independents. Personally, I think jobs and the First Step Act are also deeply involved. Also, it's OK that Trump talks trash, because they respect that he stands his ground and won't eat sh__.

An overwhelming majority of black voters — 85 percent — said in a new Hill-HarrisX poll that they would choose any Democratic presidential candidate over President Trump.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...ck-voters-choose-any-given-2020-democrat-over

I mean given the previous history of their voting, believing the emerson and rasmussen polls are anything but outliers is probably delusional. They certainly voted against him in Louisiana the other week.

 

[Takhisis]

So only helping out when you stand to profit. Yes that does seem very American.

Yes, but in the other half of the world the Soviets were actually tearing down industries in conquered lands and moving them to their homelands so it's nearly a case of black-and-black-hole-colour morality.

Which really illustrates how messed up the world already was.

Individual =/= state

Weeeell, yes, but that's more to do with that fact often highlighted by philosophers that the poor and the rich are both free to shelter themselves from the rain in any property which they might happen to own.

 

[rah]

A recent Emerson poll shows 34.5% of blacks approve of the job Trump is doing. For Hispanics, the same number is 38.2%. For everyone, the number was 48.3% approval, this was a good poll for Trump. Somewhat related, the party breakdown is 69.5% D, 13.1% R, 17.3% I for blacks, and 55.8% D, 16.8% R, 27.4% I for Hispanics.

I'd have to review the actual way the questions were asked. Generalizations like approve and support can be easily biased by the way the question is worded. I work for a global research company that does considerable political polls and they aren't showing the same results.

 

[Farm Boy]

That's hard to believe when you see a bunch of (supposedly) working class people at rallies or other events for a candidate and they say things to the effect of "(insert candidate name) really cares about the workers!" when asked why they are voting or supporting a particular candidate. So either those people are lying for some reason or they really believe whatever millionaire/billionaire candidate they are rooting for really cares about them.

"... some of the people all of the time."

 

[Sommerswerd]

the Democratic field has thinned significantly.

No. It hasn't, sadly.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I saw a Bloomberg ad for president and got kind of sad. It was very generic which makes me hope it won't accomplish anything. It was basically 'Bloomberg will do all the things' without saying how.