2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Edmund Ironside]

A pool on excitement shows I've lied about what, exactly? Have you any statistics to report on early votes received by age cohort? Which was the data I specifically talked about? No? Then go look for them because they've been published already. And then tell us whether I've said any lie or not.

You're criticizing a lack of data, when your post provides none!? Could you at least provide a reference for your claims.

wishful thinking was prevalent among Clinton's fans in 2016. Yes I do see the past repeating itself in several things, that is one.

Maybe things will repeat themselves. But with far less undecided voters then 2016, Trump doing worse both nationally and state wide (behind in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennysylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin) then 2016, and with Biden seeming to have Trumps ability to shake off any potential scandal, its not completely unreasonable (https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53657174).

In terms of voting engagement, early voting is easily out pacing 2016 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/elections/early-voting-numbers-so-far/).

In terms of student engagement in voting " 71 percent of college students said they are “absolutely certain” that they will vote in November’s election""
"Democratic students (81 percent) were slightly more likely than Republicans (74 percent) to be certain they will vote, and women students were more likely than men to be certain they will vote (75 and 65 percent, respectively)"
https://www.aacu.org/aacu-news/newsletter/college-students-are-showing-more-engagement-2020-election.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It uses too much avec.

Avec is a culinary and cultural affectation of France. It grows wild in the Loire Valley and along the Mediterranean. In the old Las Halles it would be free with every purchase.

 

[Takhisis]

It is a feature of their queasine's.

 

[innonimatu]

You're criticizing a lack of data, when your post provides none!? Could you at least provide a reference for your claims.

I've recently seen a news piece with the statistics, but haven't recorded the link. Should be easy to find.
I suppose it was someone working from the same numbers as published here, and comparing to the ballot requests in the same states during the 2016 elections. The numbers for this year alone only show that on this sample the early voters are overwhelming older. The point of the piece was that this hadn't changed from the trend in past years.

Given how diverse and dysfunctional the voting systems in the US seem to be (I mean, nearly an whole month for casting votes, and people still have to queue or use systems where the votes are not guaranteed to be counted? ) that sample may not be representative of much, granted. But it's something, and what other concrete numbers are there?

 

[Estebonrober]

I think the US is likely headed to splitting into two countries anyway. Though the border will be very ugly
In this theoretical case, would the north territories allow for a corridor to unite the west and the east coast?

I do not think this is the case, nor do I believe corridors would be allowed. I think if this becomes the case the entire world is going to be looking very bleak very fast.

 

[IglooDame]

I do not think this is the case, nor do I believe corridors would be allowed. I think if this becomes the case the entire world is going to be looking very bleak very fast.

No way the US states start seceding, nor will there be an organized splitting, because no one wants to be not the United States, and whoever leaves first loses the title and legacy and federal infrastructure and military.

A renewed commitment to federalism would be nice, though.

Also agreed on the corridor idea, in any case. Corridors between two halves mean splitting the other "country" in half, or at least constraining traffic considerably. It's like putting an interstate through the middle of a neighborhood.

 

[Kyriakos]

Bad borders cause war - cause the alien player wants to change them to something aesthetic.
Then again, maybe the alien aesthetic will accept borders which to a human look very messed up.

 

[Estebonrober]

No way the US states start seceding, nor will there be an organized splitting, because no one wants to be not the United States, and whoever leaves first loses the title and legacy and federal infrastructure and military.

A renewed commitment to federalism would be nice, though.

Also agreed on the corridor idea, in any case. Corridors between two halves mean splitting the other "country" in half, or at least constraining traffic considerably. It's like putting an interstate through the middle of a neighborhood.

It would basically be the end of even pretending the world has a chance at anything other than totalitarian rule globally. Its tenuous with us leading, it will be worse with China (or worse this incarnation of Russia) leading. I would trust the EU if it didn;t seem in a more precarious position then we are in.

 

[Zardnaar]

It would basically be the end of even pretending the world has a chance at anything other than totalitarian rule globally. Its tenuous with us leading, it will be worse with China (or worse this incarnation of Russia) leading. I would trust the EU if it didn;t seem in a more precarious position then we are in.

Just means democracy has failed. At least for larger nation's.

I think autocracy is basically the default position of humans anyway. Democracy is still new and isn't the mist stable government form.

 

[Farm Boy]

“As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”
-Abe, 1855

The bestest part of that quote is that the Know-Nothings mostly become Republicans(and elect him president) within four years.

 

[Estebonrober]

Just means democracy has failed. At least for larger nation's.

I think autocracy is basically the default position of humans anyway. Democracy is still new and isn't the mist stable government form.

Look this is simple from my PoV. If democracy fails in the US and "large" nations it means it will fail as a way to govern globally which means mafia states of one form or another becomes the default again. Which in this age of technological marvels means the eventual extinction of the human species.

 

[Zardnaar]

Look this is simple from my PoV. If democracy fails in the US and "large" nations it means it will fail as a way to govern globally which means mafia states of one form or another becomes the default again. Which in this age of technological marvels means the eventual extinction of the human species.

Just means from an evolutionary PoV self aware monkeys with opposable thumbs is a bad idea.

 

[Phrossack]

Just means from an evolutionary PoV self aware monkeys with opposable thumbs is a bad idea.

Intelligence is probably an evolutionary dead end. On a geological timescale, it probably leads to a sudden explosion in the species' population followed by a sudden disappearance.

 

[Zardnaar]

Intelligence is probably an evolutionary dead end. On a geological timescale, it probably leads to a sudden explosion in the species' population followed by a sudden disappearance.

I think it's a lot harder to wipe humans out. Kill 99.9% you still have 80 million left.

 

[innonimatu]

Just means democracy has failed. At least for larger nation's.

I've long disbelieved representative democracy working well for large nations. They're empires basically: the common citizen can't interact with the emperor's court.

Which is why I'm so incensed at people who believe that the escape from dealing with the problems of democracy and improving it can be done by creating larger countries out of assembling small ones. Often sgainst the will of their populations. If they bothered to ask... Also, empires are not efficient. The idea that size mush be necessary because of "competition" is flawed to say the least...

 

[Estebonrober]

Just means from an evolutionary PoV self aware monkeys with opposable thumbs is a bad idea.

Intelligence is probably an evolutionary dead end. On a geological timescale, it probably leads to a sudden explosion in the species' population followed by a sudden disappearance.

I think it's a lot harder to wipe humans out. Kill 99.9% you still have 80 million left.

They argue that the Great Filter may be abiogenesis, the rise of technological human-level intelligence, or an inability to settle other worlds because of self-destruction or a lack of resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

I refuse to concede to this nihilistic nightmare. The very premise of the idea is so horribly self defeating and morally reprehensible as the dust that can see itself as a reflection of the universe it was born in. We must try to rise above this and the first step is to learn to accept each other on basic levels. This requires some form of democratic governance. Autocratic governance and the cults of personality they require will inevitably lead to ruin and are not indicative of actual intelligence but the lack thereof. We have hit on the fundamental basis of my political, philosophical, and arguably religious foundation. lol

 

[Estebonrober]

I've long disbelieved representative democracy working well for large nations. They're empires basically: the common citizen can't interact with the emperor's court.

Which is why I'm so incensed at people who believe that the escape from dealing with the problems of democracy and improving it can be done by creating larger countries out of assembling small ones. Often sgainst the will of their populations. If they bothered to ask... Also, empires are not efficient. The idea that size mush be necessary because of "competition" is flawed to say the least...

and this guy is literally the great filter in my mind. the dust that only can be witness to its own demise.

 

[Phrossack]

They argue that the Great Filter may be abiogenesis, the rise of technological human-level intelligence, or an inability to settle other worlds because of self-destruction or a lack of resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

I refuse to concede to this nihilistic nightmare. The very premise of the idea is so horribly self defeating and morally reprehensible as the dust that can see itself as a reflection of the universe it was born in. We must try to rise above this and the first step is to learn to accept each other on basic levels. This requires some form of democratic governance. Autocratic governance and the cults of personality they require will inevitably lead to ruin and are not indicative of actual intelligence but the lack thereof. We have hit on the fundamental basis of my political, philosophical, and arguably religious foundation. lol

Hey, it's worth fighting against, whether it's possible to win or not.

 

[Estebonrober]

Hey, it's worth fighting against, whether it's possible to win or not.

I will never give up. Even if we do go full fascist in America. I could hope that the wheel would turn before annihilation and we could redeem ourselves once more. (Probably under a different banner).

That’s if I survived the purge of them tracking IP addresses posting heresy like this lol.

 

[Narz]

I think it's a lot harder to wipe humans out. Kill 99.9% you still have 80 million left.

If the ocean totally acidifies and some kind of positive feedback loops causes temps to rise 15 degrees its probably fully lights out for us