Airliner shot down over disputed part of Ukraine

[Camikaze]

All their Europe flights are via Dubai now though. Routemap looks like Helsinki might be the only exception, in which case Ukraine would be too far south. I think they decided to stop going over Ukraine when they decided to partner with Emirates.

 

[red_elk]

Russian foreign minister, Lavrov suggested that the flight recorders should be taken and investigated by international experts from ICAO.
http://rt.com/news/173820-ukraine-plane-black-boxes/

 

[EgonSpengler]

Not that the loss of anyone's life is necessarily more of a tragedy than someone else's, but I'm struck by the loss of ~100 people who were en route to an HIV/AIDS conference in Melbourne, including a Dutch man cited as being a leader in that field of research. It reminds me of something a U.S. History professor said, that "We'll never know if the cure for cancer died face-down in the mud in Vietnam." Could one missile have set back the cure for AIDS by a year? 5 years? We'll never know.

 

[El_Machinae]

It's not that one life is worth more than another, but each HIV researcher dying might (as you point out) represent even more people dying as a result.

 

[shadowplay]

I wonder what the odds were it would be another Malaysian airlines plane.

 

[kochman]

Sorry about the deaths involved, but I'm glad Putin is doing his best to ensure his country becomes more hated internationally than the USA.
We could use a break.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

1. Use air traffic control to direct passenger plane to fly over combat zone, 100-200 km up North from its usual route.
2. Send two fighter jets nearby, to make it appear on radars like a military transport plane with an escort.
3. Profit.

Christ man, you're not even trying to keep up appearances anymore.

 

[Bootstoots]

I'm beginning to think it might be a bad idea to fly commercial planes over active warzones in which rebels have been particularly fond of using SAMs to shoot down aircraft. Hadn't they already bragged about capturing a Buk missile system?

 

[red_elk]

Christ man, you're not even trying to keep up appearances anymore.

You mean, it is blasphemy to even think that one country would be able to frame another one in such a way? Or just because Ukrainian leadership cannot possibly be that immoral?

 

[Evie]

They're not framing "another country". They're framing, if there is framing at all, a bunch of rednecks with delusins of grandeur and a friend in Moscow.

 

[red_elk]

They're not framing "another country". They're framing, if there is framing at all, a bunch of rednecks with delusins of grandeur and a friend in Moscow.

I suppose, this wasn't meant to be a reply to my message, merely a rant in rebels address.

 

[Gucumatz]

Poor Malaysian Airlines, can't seem to catch a break. I wonder if the combination of these two events are going to affect their business

 

[Ajidica]

Poor Malaysian Airlines, can't seem to catch a break. I wonder if the combination of these two events are going to affect their business

I read on the BBC their stock has fallen 42% since the day before- and it was already rather low due to their previous disaster. IIRC they quoted an anonymous Malaysian Airlines official that it is likely MA will go bankrupt within the year.

 

[Rashiminos]

I wonder what the odds were it would be another Malaysian airlines plane.

Closer to 1 than the odds of the plane having been "shot" down.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

I'm beginning to think it might be a bad idea to fly commercial planes over active warzones in which rebels have been particularly fond of using SAMs to shoot down aircraft. Hadn't they already bragged about capturing a Buk missile system?

I can just shake my head at all the fuzz that is made of it. The implications this is supposed to have. The assumption that is may change the entire conflict.

A plane got shot down in a war zone known to involve planes being shot down.
I can not take our media serious anymore.
I mean I understand that this is an exciting story in itself. Fine. But the rest, all that is projected onto it - I frankly don't understand. It to me just seems like sensationalism is redefining reality or something. This story makes big news. So it must be important to the conflict. Never mind if that in itself actually makes any sense.
And so the media saying this is important for the conflict - and because they say so it actually becomes important I guess.
It just feels surreal.

 

[Verbose]

It's a big deal because this is what Putin's form of destabilisation of a neighbour — through a proxy war — looks like. It sorta kinda was allowed to slide when going on somewhere on the far side of Ukraine, but this has propelled it straight into the centre of western Europe. And yes, the blame is being be laid at Putin's door, because that's where it's perceived to clearly belong. The situation, on the ground and in the air, is inconceivable without the aiding and abetting of the Russian government. There might have been conflict without it, but it would have had no chance of looking anything like it currently does without the Russian involvement.

 

[red_elk]

There might have been conflict without it, but it would have had no chance of looking anything like it currently does without the Russian involvement.

... or without Kiev decision to forcefully crack down the rebellion.

 

[bhsup]

... or without Kiev decision to forcefully crack down the rebellion.

How's Chechnya doing?

 

[red_elk]

How's Chechnya doing?

Chechnya is fine. Why?

 

[bhsup]

Just making sure it was all golden there after Russia forcefully cracked down on the rebellion there.