Civ'ed
I ain't gotta explain a thing
Exactly, if you want to talk about the Czechs and Hitler and whatnot then PLEASE, we have a History forum.
Altered Maps X: Ten Time's a Altered Map
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Spoiler World Map 0000Z 01SEP1919 :
Disclaimers:
Does not represent internal Russian rebellions. [Major: Basmachi, Anarchist/Ukraine, SRs/Great Russian countryside, Various/Caucasus, Don and Kuban Cossacks/Kalmyk Steppe, Ma Clans/Xinjiang]
Does not represent Irish rebellions.
Does not represent disorder in colonial territories newly acquired. [e.g.: Libya/UK and France, Somaliland and Eritrea/UK, Emirate of Makkah Protectorate/UK]
Does not accurately represent Italian civil conflict.
Does not represent Greek civil war. [Republicans/Crete and Cyclades vs. Royalists/Mainland, Chios, and Mytilene. Civil war ends with Royalist victory in spring 1920.]
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
interesting map. my best guess is that the central powers never started WWI. or if it did start, it clearly got different. the ottoman Empire flopped as usual, and china is in civil war. uh... Federalists in the north, Royalists in the south?
aronnax
Let your spirit be free
Greater Bulgaria and rump Turkey makes me sad.
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
how so? turkey didn't lose anything important.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
hmmm Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania...
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
Turkey in 1914:
I think that's some important territory lost there.
oh. oops. i was saying compared to modern turkey. my mistake.
oh, and turkey apparently didn't have any European territory besides some Thrace territories in 1914.
aronnax
Let your spirit be free
Edirne, huge chunks of East Turkey and İskenderun?
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Diverse in Unity
Whatever makes Turkey weaker and smaller in any timeline and any universe makes me happy
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
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Diverse in Unity
Rightfully, nothing belongs to Turkey. Not even Anatolia (I think I need to make a map...)
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
Why? Please don't use the Byzantium claim.
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Diverse in Unity
Just a map I found a few minutes ago:
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Every square metre of land occupied by Turkey was taken from others through aggression.
Leaving that fact aside, they have absolutely no claims on anything in the Balkans, which was basically a collection of Turkish colonies, against conquered by force.
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Every square metre of land occupied by Turkey was taken from others through aggression.
Leaving that fact aside, they have absolutely no claims on anything in the Balkans, which was basically a collection of Turkish colonies, against conquered by force.
I know but still, the Balkans are Turkish! Their rightful claims
Those are some of the ugliest borders I've seen outside of here.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
So what every civilization does that, and I think they have a claim on Albania, Bosnia, Sandzak and Kosovo, the Turkicizied it.
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Diverse in Unity
What is "turkicized" about these places? Bosnia - Slavic population, Islam as the predominant religion; Albania - non-Turkic population, again largely Muslim, ditto Kosovo. Religion stopped being a solid basis for a territorial claim centuries ago.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
We aren't the same ethnic group but we share cultural similarities, if not much of our culture is the same. When Bosnia was token over by the Austro-Hungarian empire in 1878 thousands fled to Turkey.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Can any country really be said to have any objective claims to anything anywhere? It's all power games, at the end of the day, we're just compelled to buttress it with halfway convincing ideology. Ethno-linguistic certainly hasn't had any historic role as a trump card, not least because it's something rather more plastic than is generally admitted.
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