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Most diplomas in US are not worth their tuition.
The US has the top 4 universities in the world...12 of the world's top 25.
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2019
Most diplomas in US are not worth their tuition.
Most universities in the US - which has hundreds - are not the twelve in the top twenty-five, though.The US has the top 4 universities in the world...12 of the world's top 25.
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2019
The US has the top 4 universities in the world...12 of the world's top 25.
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2019
bro you are the one who brought in topuniversities.com, which is not even a reputable university ranking websiteI see a lot of arguments, but I see no links nor other supporting evidence.
Cite to any one you please.topuniversities.com, which is not even a reputable university ranking website
Yes, I'd like to know what that is based on too.Cite to any one you please.
Any BTW: You guys are saying degrees from the US are worthless. Again I ask: Do you have any supporting evidence?
That's not what plarq posted. "Not worth their tuition" is not the same thing as "worthless".Cite to any one you please.
Any BTW: You guys are saying degrees from the US are worthless. Again I ask: Do you have any supporting evidence?
The US dose have some of finest universities, with best teachers and amazing graduates why do you think Chinese have been pouring in and paying a premium to get into the best universities ?
At the same time you have a situation where college level education is out of reach for many due to cost. In the past education was more affordable
Anyway in comparison to China, which is investing its money into education, infrastructure and research to catch up to the US. The US have been slashing education, infrastructure and research
https://www.marketwatch.com/graphics/college-debt-now-and-then/Cite to any one you please.
Any BTW: You guys are saying degrees from the US are worthless. Again I ask: Do you have any supporting evidence?
You forgot grad school. Many grad schools do not have high prestige comparing to the Ivy League, but they have solid research programs. Similar to the hidden champions in business.The US education system is fantastic at creating a handful of really elite universities, while the rest kind of are all of low standard.
This is pretty much why the US is graduating so few scientist, engineers and doctors but produce some of the worlds best.
China on the other hand is going the opposite direction which is cranking out something like 10 times the number of engineers, and has an overall lower standard of education but is more accessible and affordable
Time will tell which system is better.
No argument from me here.https://www.marketwatch.com/graphics/college-debt-now-and-then/
Tuition runs faster than inflation and wages, MUCH faster.
However the question is if someone with a college degree will make, during their ~ 40 years of employment. more than someone with just a high school diploma.
Finally, democracy depends upon an educated electorate.
We should reduce the cost and make the state pay for all of it. We're long past the inflection point between college being purely a luxury for the rich to it being a basic necessity to climb most corporate ladders. It should therefore be freely available to everyone who wants to go up to the point where they flunk out.The solution is to reduce the cost of a college education.
We should reduce the cost and make the state pay for all of it. We're long past the inflection point between college being purely a luxury for the rich to it being a basic necessity to climb most corporate ladders. It should therefore be freely available to everyone who wants to go up to the point where they flunk out.
No argument from me here.
However the question is if someone with a college degree will make, during their ~ 40 years of employment. more than someone with just a high school diploma.
The cited-to article sets out a cost of an undergraduate degree as $103,616.
Spreading that out over 40 years gives ~ $2,500/year or $200/month.
Thus, if a college grad can make just $200 more per month than he would with just a HS diploma, the undergraduate degree will more than pay for itself.
Plus, breadth requirements will give a person a rudimentary knowledge in subjects like history, art, philosophy, astronomy, chemistry, literature, etc., by which a richer life can be obtained.
Finally, democracy depends upon an educated electorate.
They do. Since the tuition+loan interest exceeds benefits.Lexicus said:The other problem of course is that people without college degrees need to be able to make a living too.
Luiz said:Why Asians are so over-represented in top US universities, and whites somewhat under-represented? Legacy of Asian Supremacy?
I was listening to Fresh Air on NPR about college costs and there is an outright majority of professors who are essentially contingent labor (short-term, low paid adjuncts) that make borderline minimum wage at best. Fully tenured professors haven't seen their wages rise much either meanwhile administrative costs have exploded and investor take from private colleges has also grown enormously.Well, I'm not sure about reducing the costs when you put it this way. Undoubtedly there is administrative bloat that doesn't need to exist, but it is true that if you went well-treated professors and whatnot it's going to cost. The problem is that, as you say, the government should mostly be paying the bill, not the student.
The other problem of course is that people without college degrees need to be able to make a living too.
That $100,000 bill for school certainly includes interest. The average student loan debt (without interest) is about $20-30,000 in the US, IIRC. $100,000 is such a high number it has to include interest.You forgot interest rate.
Look to Norway.We should reduce the cost and make the state pay for all of it. We're long past the inflection point between college being purely a luxury for the rich to it being a basic necessity to climb most corporate ladders. It should therefore be freely available to everyone who wants to go up to the point where they flunk out.