I don't know about her personal history with substance abuse, so I'm not sure when that started. I do agree that everyone faces stress or strain of some sort or another. I'd think it was just as tragic if another 27-year-old with a lot of talent and potential died so young. Even a 27-year-old with no talent at all! I'm sympathetic to her troubles not because she's famous or a celebrity, but because she's human, like me. I don't know her particular struggles intimately, but I've had my own struggles (who hasn't?) and I've lost some friends in their 20s to drug and alcohol abuse, and it's always such a damned waste. That's part of why I think it's tragic for her - all that potential, lost, gone.
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I don't know about her personal history with substance abuse, so I'm not sure when that started. I do agree that everyone faces stress or strain of some sort or another. I'd think it was just as tragic if another 27-year-old with a lot of talent and potential died so young. Even a 27-year-old with no talent at all! I'm sympathetic to her troubles not because she's famous or a celebrity, but because she's human, like me. I don't know her particular struggles intimately, but I've had my own struggles (who hasn't?) and I've lost some friends in their 20s to drug and alcohol abuse, and it's always such a damned waste. That's part of why I think it's tragic for her - all that potential, lost, gone.
Debbie Harry was in Blondie
She had a real problem with alcohol and drugs, and rehab certainly didn't help her - she went several times. It was the least surprising early death news I have heard in awhile.
What I don't like is her being compared to the notable Dead at 27 club.
What I don't like is her being compared to the notable Dead at 27 club.
Huayna Capac357
Deity
I wish they would stop calling it a "club" as if you'd want to join or there's dancing there or something.
jtb1127
Deity
I hate figurative speech!
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
The 27 club, or whatever they call it? That club only has 5 members, and Winehouse isn't one of them
Communisto
Condottiere
And only 2 of those 5 dont suck.
rugbyLEAGUEfan
Deity
Well come on , don't tease . I'll gamble that Hendrix and Cobain are your non- sucks , less certain about Cobain (possible exchange for Joplin)
Nah, CFC seems to have a distaste for Cobain because he's so popular for hating establishment and thus creating emo whinos. In short, he was so underrated he became overrated.
EDIT: In short, many on CFC try to appear cool because they are anti-things other people like, pro-"no celebrity is above the average man", etc. (The kind of attitude found also by hipsters), so everyone hates Cobain and those associated with him.
rugbyLEAGUEfan
Deity
Probably an age thing too . I'm 37 and I was 17 at the height of Nirvana's success . Any teenager with a chip on his shoulder like me just KNEW that Kurt " got you " . He was just a selfless guy who wouldn't hurt a fly , and rocked damn hard to boot .
He probably doesn't seem nearly as great to look back on as some rock icon .
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Has anyone actually expressed surprise, at least beyond an emotional (and therefore not necessarily rational) level?Who here is actually surprised by this? I mean, really? OMG A DRUG ADDICT DIED!
I get that sneering cynicism is something of a shibboleth around here, but this is just a big silly strawman.
Disgustipated
Deity
Who here thinks like me she intentionally OD'd so she could join the 27 club? I think she wanted to martyr herself in a way and elevate her status. Look what Cobain's death did for his status. He status went way up after he died. He is over rated by every definition of the word (and I say this as a Nirvana fan). She had no incentive to make it to 28. She wanted to become like Joplin, Hendrix, Morrison, and Cobain.
Cynovolans
Not in my dimension.
The paparazzi found out she had a doctors appointment the day before she died so I think this is a case of her quitting crack for a few days so she could be clean for the doctor, and after the appointment she got crazy with the drugs and went overboard.
Communisto
Condottiere
Yeah, Hendrix and Joplin, good guess.
You lose points for suggesting Cobain, though
Yup.
I'm not a huge Nirvana fan - I grew up during the grunge movement, and it was great at the time, but I couldn't tell you the last time I intentionally put on a Nirvana album. I don't own any Amy Winehouse either. I don't think that prevents a perfectly human response to the death of a young, talented musician. Is it somehow "worse" than any other death? No. Is it a surprise? No, not at all... and that's what makes it even more sad, IMO.
Unfortunately a lot of people - not just in CFC - feel like death is a great opportunity to show off how cool they are by disparaging the recently deceased or making boring sarcastic comments like "no surprise here, she was on drugz!!!11" and other such clever insights.
jtb1127
Deity
Yeah, none of those people are actually dead. They have all faked they are deaths to elevate their statuses (or stati, whatever the plural is) and sell big time. Michael Jackson and Tupac are also included in that list. Especially Tupac. People are way more inclined to listen to his ganster music if he actually was a gangster and the fact he got shot makes this so. Here I have a graph of how celebrity status is greatly improved after the celebritie's death.
aelf
Ashen One
I don't know what universe you live in, but in mine knowing the ins-and-outs of pop culture, including celebrities, is cool. I have to say that I'm not completely ignorant myself
Besides, I certainly don't think that being a celebrity makes your life intrinsically more worthy, so yeah, put me in the "no celebrity is above the average man" camp - in other words, in the group you hate for not sharing your cynical views.
Hygro
soundcloud.com/hygro/
Well, aelf, you *are* pretty cool...I don't know what universe you live in, but in mine knowing the ins-and-outs of pop culture, including celebrities, is cool. I have to say that I'm not completely ignorant myself
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