Amy Winehouse found dead

[aelf]

As Narz pointed out, just the fact that you think Norway matters more than say, today's environmental damage is evidence that your thinking falls into the same trap.

I make no apologies for being more personally bothered by Winehouse's death.

If you think I'm judging you, then your thinking falls into the trap of treating all manner of social commentary as moral advocacy. I don't think it's 'wrong' that you feel that way. The only judgement I've passed is against cultural studies (which I think is completely deluded with its narratives of resistance), not individuals.

 

[Traitorfish]

Yes, that's a very good point. I tend to dismiss this kind of death because, how shall I put it, "she should know better", but I can see how she could be a victim of the circumstances.

It is also worth noting that we know very little of Winehouse's emotional health, which is certainly a factor. Such problems can be invisible even to close friends and relatives, let alone to the sort of indifferent fawners that often surround people like her.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

She's why pop music is so female dominated, and why female british singers have been able to make it in the US. She's also made unconventional a standard now for any woman who wants to make it in the pop industry.

??? What about Kate Bush?

EDIT: I shouldn't just comment on that comment. This is obviously a very sad event for her family and her fans. One of my friends really likes her songs and lots of people have talked about it on facebook.

 

[Mad Man]

I'm sorry to see her go but yeah throw my lot into the "it was an overdose" crowd, although there's an equally good chance it was suicide given that her career seems to have came to a grinding halt.

 

[jtb1127]

Why is she in hell?

I'm not a Christian, but I don't imagine drug users and alcoholics go to heaven. At least while they're still using.

Eh. A few things didn't add up. The shotgun he was wielding was too long for his arms, and he was wearing boots. And the amount of drugs in his system was waaay above the normal tolerance.

Yes, we all know his wife did it.

 

[LucyDuke]

They definitely stop using when they die.

 

[azzaman333]

This joke has probably already been made 20 times, but anyway;

Should've gone to rehab.

 

[danjuno]

All I have to say is I think it's an affirmation of how celebrity-obsessed society is when I see a good deal more people on facebook talking about Amy Winehouse's death than the 90+ killed in Norway, when the former is so much more recent. Resistance? Counter-hegemonic reading? Cultural studies is dead in the water.

Agreed. 5 grammies dosen't mean you should have more mourners then the 90+ victims of a mass shooting in Norway. It's absolutely disgusting. And you know what's worst? Years from now, when she is immortalized just because she OD'd like very other singer, they'll say on Vh1 how "poor Amy's" death was "overshadowed" by "some random shooting in Norway". I'm serious. They'll just blow the whole Utoya mess off like it wasn't significant enough to overshadow her death. (Even though it should have, but didn't.) End rant.

 

[LucyDuke]

Agreed. 5 grammies dosen't mean you should have more mourners then the 90+ victims of a mass shooting in Norway. It's absolutely disgusting. And you know what's worst? Years from now, when she is immortalized just because she OD'd like very other singer, they'll say on Vh1 how "poor Amy's" death was "overshadowed" by "some random shooting in Norway". I'm serious. They'll just blow the whole Utoya mess off like it wasn't significant enough to overshadow her death. (Even though it should have, but didn't.) End rant.

Future documentaries won't even talk about it. And they shouldn't. Because they have nothing to do with each other.

It is overshadowing her death. It's not the only damn thing we can talk about.

Spoiler :

 

[NiRv4n4]

The implications of the Norway event are much more far reaching than those of Winehouse's death, so it's hardly unjustifiable that media is focusing on this. For someone to put more importance on the singer's death compared to the two attacks is really just strange. This attack's effects on European politics will probably be pretty big, for the next few years anyway.

 

[GamezRule]

Must have gotten the glass with the iocane.

 

[RedRalph]

I'm as cynical about popular culture as anyone, but, honestly, the kinds of reply you get in these threads really annoy me sometimes. Think what you want of her, but, Jesus, poor lass just died, have at least the decency to keep your moire pointed opinions to yourself for a couple of days. She was hardly a villainous enough individual to deserve folk spitting on her grave before they've even finished lowering the coffin.

Yeah, there's a lot of classy people here alright

Winehouse and Cobain are not really that comparable. Cobain turned to drugs after he became famous as a way of escaping a life of fame that wasn't what he thought it was going to be. Winehouse was an addict before she even became famous. There are similarities but let's not go overboard with the comparisons, they are separate individuals.

He began serious heroin use before the Nevermind recordings, IIRC.

 

[NovaKart]

Some people have mentioned this and I agree, drug use is just so much a part of the famous musician lifestyle. Why did she die and not the members of Aerosmith, Guns N Roses, Courtney Love or Ozzy Osbourne? I think a lot of it just goes down to luck.

 

[bathsheba666]

I'm not a Christian, but I don't imagine drug users and alcoholics go to heaven. At least while they're still using.

What about people with the flu, or cancer, or schizophrenia ?

 

[Disgustipated]

I see people overstating Cobain and his death. He really wasn't that talented. He wasn't that great a guitar player or singer. But he did have some catchy songs. I just find it funny people say Winehouse wasn't comparable to Cobain. She essentially did kill herself.

As for going to heaven, anyone can go to heaven, no matter how much you sin. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Yes they teach you to live a christian life, but the fact is all you need is faith in Jesus Christ as our lord and savior to go to heaven. You don't need to lead a perfect christian life. Almost no one is capable of doing that (even priests and ministers can't do it).

 

[Cynovolans]

??? What about Kate Bush?

What about her? Adele, Lily Allen, Florence + the Machine, Duffy have all said Amy Winehouse made it easier for female British singers to make it in the USA. Lady Gaga thanked Amy Winehouse for being unconventional so she could be. I don't see what Kate Bush has to do with latest waves of female pop stars.

EDIT: I'm sorry, reading it again my post sounds a little rude but I really don't know what Kate Bush has to do with anything.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I see people overstating Cobain and his death. He really wasn't that talented. He wasn't that great a guitar player or singer. But he did have some catchy songs. I just find it funny people say Winehouse wasn't comparable to Cobain. She essentially did kill herself.

As for going to heaven, anyone can go to heaven, no matter how much you sin. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Yes they teach you to live a christian life, but the fact is all you need is faith in Jesus Christ as our lord and savior to go to heaven. You don't need to lead a perfect christian life. Almost no one is capable of doing that (even priests and ministers can't do it).

She was jewish, dude.

 

[RedRalph]

She was jewish, dude.

I love you

 

[Virote_Considon]

Why is she in hell?

Because the joke required her dead self to be in a place, which generally as far as jokes go in the western- and thus Christian-oriented world is either heaven or hell.

Not directed at you specificaly, but would your reaction be any different if you had read that some random 27 year old just died from a drug overdose/whatever killed Winehouse?

I can only speak for myself, but I'd treat all junkie deaths as equal. It's unfortunate they strayed down that path and couldn't climb back out, but not that they subsequently ceased to exist.

Eh. A few things didn't add up. The shotgun he was wielding was too long for his arms, and he was wearing boots. And the amount of drugs in his system was waaay above the normal tolerance.

It was a weather balloon. Nothing to see here.

 

[jtb1127]

What about people with the flu, or cancer, or schizophrenia ?

They go to hell too. If you have any more questions about Christianity please refer to Ask a Theologian.