Ank10 - 3CC AWM

[Ankka]

850AD [Preturn]: Have a look around.

Our only unit outside our core is a 2-hp elite spear at the wines colony which hopefully will kill the 3-hp MDI IBT... but propably with my RNG won't.

I ponder a while on whether to lose 8 turns of research and take chivalry before gunpowder, but I guess we'll get sipahi's faster this way. Blame me if this game is ruined...

Turn lux up to 20% and dump the taxman in istanbul to get to 20spt... and get some growth too.

IBT: 4 Carhtaginian MDI's approach Istanbul, and a horde of Germans run towards Edrine.

The Wines colony stands. (1-0)
Lizzy wants peace. Sorry.
Some English units run in too.

Edrine catapault > cat.

860AD [1]: Kill a Carth MDI outside Istanbul.

Bombard 3 English MDI's.
Kill 2 of them with an elite and vet MDI. (3-0)

Able to drop luxtax to 10%.

IBT: Not good... lsoe a MDI that was there to lure the Carthaginians away. Lose a pike and MDI in istanbul, only one MDI left. And it is redlined. Lose the wines colony. And all this just on the Carthaginians turn... (3-4)

No other attacks, but something like 5 English and 6 German MDI's approach Edrine..
And the Koreans bring in a single warrior.

Istanbul riots; it lost an MP unit.
So does Bursa.

870AD [2]: Lux up to 20%.

Bombard and kill a part of the German stack

Vet MDI is redlined when attacking a Carthaginian redlined MDI.
redlined MDI kills redlined MDI. (8-4)

IBT: 2-hp MDI kills 2-hp MDI.

Edrine holds against an archer. German units flee, except one which suicides on the gold mountain. (11-4)

Istanbul MDI > MDI.
Bursa horse > horse.

880AD [3]: Bombard and kill some English MDI's.

Lose a 2-hp MDI to a 2-hp MDI. (13-5)

IBT: The Korean warrior attacks Edrine, and actually takes a hp off the pike there...

Lose a pike on the gold mountain, but the other one kills 2 MDI's and is promoted to elite. (16-6)

Edrine cat > cat. Edrine is finall at 10spt without too much trouble.


890AD [4]: Kill 2 German MDI's. Kill an English spear, capture catapault under it. But I miscalculated the horse's moves and it is stuck beside some English MDI's. Clear the troops away from near Edrine and move an elite pike to guard it. Kill an English offending MDI. (20-6)

IBT: Lose the pike, the horse retreats and we lose the cat. oops. (20-7)

Istanbul MDI > MDI.

900AD [5]: Horse kills MDI and we capture the cat for the second time.

Elite MDI kills English MDI.
Vet MDI kills Carth MDI. (23-7)

IBT: No attacks, but many troops come closer.

Bursa horse > horse.

910AD [6]: MDI kills first English spear guarding 2 cats. Horse kills the other and we poach 2 cats... and no danger, the horse and cats got into safety. I like horses. (25-7)

IBT: Troops pour into our lands...

Edrine pike > pike.

920AD [7]: There's a stack of 5 MDI's and a NuMerc at Istanbul. Kill the first MDI with an elite MDI and we get Mehmed. Cool. But we have nothing to use him for..

Vet MDI kills MDI in German stack. Horse dies.

Kill some more units in the Carth stack. (31-6)

We have no use for the leader...

IBT: Lonely NuMerc retreats.

Lose 2 pikes to German horde. Kil 2 also, though.
Lose a MDI on a mountain to an English one.. (33-9)

Istanbul MDI > MDI.

930AD [8]: Lose a horse to a MDI.

Kill some units. Capture the mountain back. (35-10)

IBT: Istanbul holds against a Korean sword. Korean spear pillages.

Lose a MDI and 3 cats to Germans.

Lonely MDI on mountain kills 2 MDI's. (37-14)

Edrine pike > pike.
Bursa horse > horse.

We get a palace expansion.

940AD [9]: Kill German MDI and pike, capture 4 cats.

Need 2 MDI's to kill the vet spear. (40-15)

IBT: Carths land a NuMerc and MDI behind our lines.

950AD [10]: The situation looks pretty bleak. I'm not sure anymore if we can pull us out of this soup.

The kill ratio was about 40-15. Not very spectacular..

The core, all that there is to show.







Sir Bugsy - UP!
grs - on deck
Bede
andvruss
Ankka - just played

REMEMBER: 24h to post a "got it", total 48 to post turnlog and save.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I have it. Should have it done by late Sunday.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Pre-flight – We are in extremis. Spend 80G rushing a pike in Edrine. Spend 76G on a horse in Bursa

IBT – Produce a horse, pike, MDI

1. 960 AD – Kills: German MDI, German pike (recapture one of our cats), Carthaginian pike
Short rush a horse. (3-0)

IBT – Lose an MDI @ Istanbul
Produce a horse

2. 970 AD – Kills: NuMer, German spear, Carth MDI
Lost: horse
Short rush a horse (6-2)

IBT – Lose a MDI to a redlined German sword
Produce a horse

3. 980 AD – Kills: German MDI, German sword, English pike (9-2)

IBT – Produce a horse and a pike.

4. 990 AD – Kills: German MDI, two Aztec archers, Carth MDI, German Pike
(14-2)

IBT – We now have knights at our door.

5. 1000 AD – Kills: English MDI, NuMer, English pike (17-2)

IBT – Lose a horse at Istanbul.
Produce a horse and a pike.

6. 1010 AD – Kills: English Spear, German pike (19-3)

IBT – Lose a horse at Istanbul. We are in deep kimshee.

7. 1020 AD – Kills: German MDI, two Carth knights, English knight (23-3)

IBT – Lose three horses at Istanbul, kill a Korean horse.
Produce a pike

8. 1030 AD – Kills: English LB, German knight (26-6)
There are six potential attackers at Istanbul, I have four defenders.
Crosses fingers and hits enter.

IBT – We lose four straight and…


Kill three LBs at Edrine, Produce a horse (29-10)

I’m going to stop there and find out how the team wants to proceed.

 

[grs]

Spike it - it is lost.

 

[andvruss]

This land area seems a lot larger than ANK09 and DI1....I think that is why we lost(or verge), too much land area for the AI to expand.

 

[Bede]

Ouch!

Kinda concur with grs.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Ouch pretty much sums it up. Would anyone like to play this out to the bloody end or have we gone far enough?

 

[Bede]

On consideration I could carry on. THe GLib was at the end of its useful life anyway.

 

[Ankka]

But we lost our capitol... well, we could try and pull it out.. they usually won't get rid of me too easily, they really need to kick me out if they want to get rid of me.

But I'll start a redux for sure if/when we lose this.

So let's continue until the end, whatever it is. Bugsy, go ahead and finish your turns, and we'll see where we are. Losing Istanbul can't be so good though, so eityher we'll lose fast or we'll suddenly pull out of the mess and win.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Istanbul razed ...
















sorry for laughing.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Thanks for your heart felt condolences Rik

If any one would like to press on, here is the last autosave:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/CivIIIPTWAutosave1040AD.SAV

 

[Ankka]

Ok...

If grs isn't too optimistic then Bede can take it, or actually anyone who wants just say a got it.

 

[Ankka]

Well, are we gonna continue or should we just start a redux?

I'll play some turns now.

And as I'm playing, you can start thinking of what settings to use in the redux.


Oh, and Bugsy, autosaves aren't compressed like regular ones, this one was 1,8mb. Please zip it always if you post a autosave. Never upload a plain autosave... think of the people on dial-up.

Although I'm not.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Sorry, Ankka. I didn't know that.

Let's start new. Losing Istanbul puts a 3CC too far into the hole to climb out IMHO.

 

[Ankka]

1040AD [Preturn]: The situation isn't good.

Kill 2 Germans. (2-0)

IBT: One Spanish archer attacks. (3-0)

Edrine horse > horse.

1050AD [1]: Kill a pike, lose a horse to a knight. (4-1)

Mehmed hurries market in Bursa.

IBT: Lose a pike in Edrine, but kill a couple of MDI's. Knights seem to be more effective even though their attack is the same as the one of MDI's..

Bursa market > horse.

1060AD [2]: Kill a couple of Germans.

IBT: Bursa holds against a MDI, but then a knight comes and kills the redlined pike. We lose Bursa.

1070AD [3]: Kill a German, lose a MDI.

IBT: Enemies swarm around Edrine.

Start a longbow.

1080AD [4]: Carthage has muskets.

Kill a Carthaginian knight with an elite MDI, and we get a leader.

Hurry the lb in Edrine.

Lose a horse to a 2-hp knight.

IBT: The last battle...

We kill a couple of Germans and Brits, but then at last the English knights break throuhg our defences.

The last battle:


What civ would be good for a new try? Any ideas?

 

[microbe]

It's a hard variant. I didn't really believe you could win.

Maybe a 5CC?

 

[grs]

Hmm, it was doable on regent and I still think it could be doable on monarch, though a good start is required. We had bad luck with the AIs research path.

 

[Ankka]

Yeah, if the AI had researched chivalry before education we would have had a lot better situation.

And it sure is doable on monarch. And even if it isn't I'm gonna start reduxes until I stop civving. We won't leave without a fight.

But Emperor would be quite a horror... AWE 3CC.

Ok. I'll start a new one... any ideas on what settings to use? 60% land standard pangaea monarch all victories no cultural linked starts what else?


And the most important: who are we gonna play?

 

[grs]

If you are going to play this in vanilla - as you said you will only start vanilla games IIRC - I would say let's try Persia. Industrious is ok for needing less workers and scientific is good for the free techs. The UU is very soon, but good.

 

[Ankka]

Persia is ok, but a little overplayed...

I haven't played Persia for a long time, though, so let's go.

And the best part is that we'll actually get a MDI unit at reduced cost instead of swordsmen, which make immortals useable until cavalry and rifles, really.

So, who all are up for a redux and is everybody ok with Persia? If not, provide some alternative civ to play.