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Is it true that customer service, including restaurants etc, in Poland is awful?

Do the Polish have a taste for burritos?

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Is it true that customer service, including restaurants etc, in Poland is awful?

Do the Polish have a taste for burritos?

When I was there in 2004 the service in restaurants in general was decent. Not as good as here in Canada, but not horrible either. It's possible we got good service cause you could totally tell we were tourists, even though we could speak Polish. (I guess the implication is that we were from the west and thus had more money to throw around, and would possibly tip)

From what my parents tell me there is still a general atmosphere in the country that's a remnant of communist times.. back then you didn't have to be nice to the customer.. Whatever business you were working at had a monopoly, so the customer had no choice but to shop there.. Things have changed, but I'm not sure how much.

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[What attractions are there in Poland? (By attractions, I mean key tourist places in Poland)

When I was in Poland in 2004 with my parents and sisters (big family vacation to re-discover our homeland) we tried to go to all the big tourist attractions in the country. When we used to live there back in the 80s and 90s, we didn't have the money to travel and see stuff. Now we do! A summary:

Gdansk old town

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Gdansk old town is probably one of my most favourite places that I've ever visited. It's just so beautiful.. There's a romantic feeling about the place, I can't quite explain it.. The city lies on the Baltic sea and together with Gdynia and Sopot form Trojmiasto - Tricity, the 3rd or 4th largest metro in Poland.

Gdansk also has a big Solidarity monument by the shipyards where Solidarity made its stand, it's a somewhat popular tourist attraction in the area. If you care at all about history, it's a cool part of town to visit.. pretty close to the old city too, from what I remember.

Sopot is a resort/tourist town and it's right in between Gdansk (danzig) and Gdynia (new port town). It's got a huge pier, amazing beaches, and a really cool town that doesn't seem like it's Polish at all. It feels modern and resorty.. Which I guess is the whole point, but still weird to me.

This building is in Sopot, you might have seen it on the internets before
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Krakow Old town and Wawel Castle
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(main market square)


Krakow used to be the Polish capital and as such has a lot of history behind it, including a lot of historical buildings, the old royal castle (Wawel castle), and a huge old town with a big central market. The castle itself warrants several hours of exploration.

The old town also has one of the oldest Universities in the world - Jagiellonian University. Copernicus (Kopernik) studied there. The University has buildings all over the old town (I think), including a library with tons of medieval manuscripts, including several Copernicus publications.

I like Gdansk old town more, but Krakow's is wayyyy bigger. There is more to see and explore. They are both beautiful.

Krakow is also close to Wieliczka salt mine
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which until 2007 was one of the oldest still operating salt mines in the world. It is also HUGE. .. and everything is made out of salt crystals.. yes, including statues and chandeliers! It is pretty impressive, the tour of the place is awesome.

Krakow is also close to Auschwitz (Oswiecim), which is a very depressing place, but in terms of the impact it makes on you.. it is must see.

Then there's Zakopane
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- Poland's tourist destination for those interested in the mountains, skiing, ski jump, hiking, etc. It is a city surrounded by beautiful mountains, also containing a lot of oldschool Polish culture and traditions. Here you will run into people wearing very traditional outfits, speaking a weird Polish dialect, old ladies selling goats cheese in the streets, etc. The city itself is pretty nice. We ate at a traditional Goral (polish sub-culture of sorts) restaurant and it was awesome. There are also lots of smaller villages around Zakopane that have cool ski lodges, and stuff like that. Very cool part of Poland.

Zakopane is also the gate to the Tatra mountains - the highest mountains in Poland.

Masurian Lakes -
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A part of Poland with over 2,000 lakes. One of the finalists of the "New 7 wonders of nature". It is very cool here, with lots of lakes interconnected by a system of rivers and canals from the 18th century. It is a huge draw for tourists, especially people who are into hiking, canoeing, boating, fishing, etc. There's also some cool castles in the region that people end up checking out while they're there.

Czestochowa (my home town!)
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The "holiest" city in Poland and the destination for pilgrims from all around Europe. The city's main landmark is basically a giant fortified monestary on top of a hill, with a large tower that's seen from anywhere in the city.

The story is that when Sweden invaded Poland, they were for some reason unable to capture the monestary, even though the Swedes had cannons and a giant army - and the monestary was defended by a bunch of monks. This is attributed to Mary - Mother of God - Our Lady of Czestochowa. You will see many polish churches across north america having this name. There is also a famous painting in the monestary.. Black Madonna - queen of Poland. There is a weird ceremony every day where the painting gets exposed for people to look at, after which it gets closed again. There is this slowly moving door and it slowly opens.. to music, I think. It is all very dramatic and unnecessary.

Whenever the pope came/comes to Poland, he always comes to Czestochowa.

Warsaw is also worth visiting - it's known as the skyscraper capital of Poland (That's not an easy contest to win.. no but seriously, it was sort of known as the skyscraper capital of eastern europe once.. central and eastern europe, excluding frankfurt). Also the most populated city in Poland, the only one with a metro.. It's got a cool old town that's worth visiting, as well as more modern architecture downtown.

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Yep, probably missing a lot, but I think I got the main stuff.
 
Yes I am. If you click on my profile you shall see I am member of LGB-CFC.
I will answer the other questions later on.
 
I have heard (from a source I can't recall) that the table behind which Round Table talks between Solidarity and Commies took place in 1989 was manufactured so as to exceed the current world record for spitting - (~9 m).

I wouldn't doubt that is an urban legend, even without Google telling me that this record - at least spitting watermelon seeds - is over 68 feet.
But is that an urban legend that anyone from Poland has also heard? :D
 
I have heard that themes associated with the American west -- cowboy hats, country music, and so on -- are wildly popular in central and eastern Europe. Have you noticed this to be true in Poland?

And if yes, -- why, in the name of God, why? :lol:
 
I have heard that themes associated with the American west -- cowboy hats, country music, and so on -- are wildly popular in central and eastern Europe. Have you noticed this to be true in Poland?

And if yes, -- why, in the name of God, why? :lol:

Possibly. My now deceased grandfather was a HUGE fan of Walker: Texas Ranger.

America was and is idealised in Poland as some sort of a western paradise with freedom, cowboys, and opportunity. Both countries are similar in some respects: they are both conservative, religious, share some symbolism (the eagle), share national heroes (Tadeusz Kosciuszko, Kazimierz Pułaski - the father of American cavalry), both have/had a rivalry with Russia, similar goals in WW1 & WW2, etc.

Poland and the U.S. also had some of the first constitutions in the world. Poland was experimenting with giving more rights to nobility way before either of the constitutions were drafted - putting a big emphasis on individual liberty and power away from the state.. which ultimately lead to its demise, as other nations in the area quickly took advantage of the reduced power of the Polish crown.

Anyway, there is a surprising list of parallels between the two nations. Plus, when Poland was communist, America was the land of lego, bananas, and coca cola. We wanted that.
 
What do the Poles (living in Poland now) think about there countrymen and woman setting sail for Britland?
 
Can you give us some examples of your favorite Polish cuisine?

Bigos

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A "hunter's stew" made from cabbage, bacon, sausage, other meats, mushrooms, a bit of tomato paste... Recipes and tastes vary a lot - each household in the country pretty much has their own take on this dish.

It's full of cabbage and it tastes nothing like it. It is just awesome.

I also like pork pierogies - served with bacon, but bigos wins.

Why does the Polish language use such strange letter combinations to create the same sounds we have in other Latin alphabets?

*Shrug* Every european language has its own quirks
 
Ok, so serious question. As an American, how would I go about getting legal clearance to work in Poland for a year? Are there many American companies who might need an extra flunkie?
 
Ok, so serious question. As an American, how would I go about getting legal clearance to work in Poland for a year? Are there many American companies who might need an extra flunkie?

I dunno, I'll check. I don't think that it would be a big problem. No visas are required for USA citizens, which was a dumb move on polish side ("if we won't require visas from them, they'll feel dumb requiring visas from us" - well, it didn't work)

Is it true that customer service, including restaurants etc, in Poland is awful?

It certainly used to be. And it still is when it comes to some middle-aged ladies. Example: I ask a lady in a small antiquariat how much a book costs. I had to show her which one, and she had to find it on the shelf (not moving from her sit, though). She gave me the price, I've said "thank you", and then she started yelling at me that if I don't buy it, I shouldn't have asked for the price. So such ladies do happen. But it's getting better with time.

Do the Polish have a taste for burritos?

No idea. I've never eaten it I believe.

I have heard that themes associated with the American west -- cowboy hats, country music, and so on -- are wildly popular in central and eastern Europe. Have you noticed this to be true in Poland?

And if yes, -- why, in the name of God, why? :lol:


Well, it is to some extent. There's a country music festival in Mrągowo. Cowboy films were veeeery popular when I was little, and so were lassos, cowboy hats etc. I'm not sure they are still popular among the young ones, though.

What do the Poles (living in Poland now) think about there countrymen and woman setting sail for Britland?

It depends. People who go to work there despite not knowing the language etc are often ridiculed. But there's much boasting about the improved opinion of polish workers there, that they are valued. It's no wonder people go there. A lot of my friends did, my sister did. I thought about it, but studies stopped me. The prices of housing in Poland are INSANELY high. Really. If you spend your entire money on housing, you'll still be able to afford 0,3 sq m of housing in Warsaw. Assuming you get decent pay. If you don't, it's even less. People are simply forced to work abroad by it, because otherwise, they'll have nowhere to live. I'm facing that problem as well.

What are the national sources of pride for the modern Pole?

It really depends on political views etc. Some Poles are proud of gay or transsexual MPs, some are proud of relatively full churches. You know. In general, the age of tolerance of XVI century is often recalled as something to be proud of. But really, we are bombarbed with information about successes of Poles in this or that field. Polish informaticians win some competition - hurrah! a Pole gets an Oscar - hurrah! etc. I think most Poles live from one tiny national pride moments to another, and do not think about national pride in general terms. It's also often said that Poland is beautiful, because we have both the sea and the mountains. As if most other European countries did not.

Can you give us some examples of your favorite Polish cuisine?

I like pierogi ruskie (ruthenian pierogi), which are dumplings stuffed with cheese (quark?).
I really liked potato dumplings with cream once.
I love polish soups, like barszcz (especially speciall holiday barszcz with dumplings filled with mushrooms); sorrel soup; mushroom soup; tomato soup, pea soup, which is served with toasts and so many more. I have a slight dislike for krupnik only, which is a soup of my region.
I love sauerkraut and pickled cucumbers
I love polish bread

Why does the Polish language use such strange letter combinations to create the same sounds we have in other Latin alphabets?

like what?

What do you think of the US?

Poles in general had an extremly positive image of the USA, because of the emmigration, and USA participating in ww1 and 2 against Germany, and against SU in the cold war. This image is more and more confronted with reality, and the love for USA is slightly diminishing. And, imho, rightly so. American politics towards Poland are one great chain of broken promises of one president after another. I don't know why we always do what USA asks us to do for no benefit of our own apart from "being friends". I guess because many are still afraid of Russia and think only USA can ever protect us. But first, Russia is no superpower anymore, we have friends in Europe now, Germany is not agressive anymore, and USA wouldn't care about us anyway. So my personal opinion is that we should have more balance in our relations.

I joke, but in all seriousness: How well has Poland recovered from having most of their leadership killed in a plane crash?

The power is in the hands of the gouverment, really, not the president etc. So it'd have been much a bigger problem if the prime minister got killed.
The president was extremly unpopular and would have been gone in a couple of months anyway. The chief of the national bank had a reputation of a man who was given an office above his level (although he acted sanely), so actually, how bad as it may sound, a change couldn't have hurt. Chief ombudsman, speakers of the parliament etc are nominally high officials, but not really the centre of power etc.
So: there wasn't a big chance of Poland crumbling into chaos.
The problem was that the twin brother of the deceased president tried to turn his death into a political weapon. He ignored that people of all the parties died.

I think SLD party (left wing) was actually most hurt by the crash, because it lost 3 of its most important politicians. And while PiS is a really one-person party (the twin of the deceased president), SLD wasn't. Of the old leaders of SLD:
one became the president and since then doesn't often engage in actual politics
another was accused of being a spy and never really recovered from it
the third was made unpopular by an alleged corruption scandal
many many second row revolted against the third one, and established their own party. Actually almost all the leaders went there, but people voted on the SLD banner still, and so, most important politicians of SLD of the 90's are not outside of it.
And then, some of the surviving were killed in this crash.
This party is in big crisis.

Anyway, the evil twin buried his brother in the royal castle in Krakow, among the kings. He and his supporters waged a great war on the new president when he was elected instead of him. A temporary wooden cross was established in front of the presidential palace during the mourning, and these people didn't want to allow to take it away when the mourning was over. There was a big division between PiS and the other parties ever since its 2005-7 rule, which was characterised by misuse of power for political gains against everyone, and sort of authoritarian tendencies. But the crash made the division even stronger. First of all because the dead twin was the calmer one, and secondly because the surviving twin seems to believe these were Russians, together with prime minister Tusk (a crypto-German in his opinion), who killed his brother.

After that is out of the way: What is your impression about Polish work immigration into Germany? Is it sill perceived as something profitable? I heard not for the good development of the Polish economy and for the German wages being not that good after all.

I have several friends who migrated to germany in last few years. But I hear there are many less Poles willing to work there than expected. First because the difference of pay isn't as big as once it was, secondly because there are other places available, and thirdly, because more poeple know english than german

Ananas, is that pineapple? It's pineapple in Turkish. Lots of Poles immigrated to the US but I think that was in the early 20th century and perhaps a lot of them were Jewish.

Yes, it's pineapple. I don't know why I used the polish word.
Many polish Jews immigrated to USA, yes, but also Poles proper. There are milions of people of polish origin in USA

What attractions are there in Poland? (By attractions, I mean key tourist places in Poland)

Warpus already answered that question.
Apart from that, if you like nature, you can visit Bialowieza forest, which is the last surviving part of the natural forest (untouched by humans) in Europe. It is the home of zubr, which is sort of a bufallo.
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Malbork castle is a very reknown tourist destination.
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There are lots of other interesting Teutonic Knights castles around, like Kwidzyn


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So is Kazimierz Dolny, although mostly among polish tourists, not foreign one. It's a small picturesque city with several interesting renaissance houses etc

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I've never been there personally, though.

Zamosc is an interesting place as well, it's a city founded as an ideal renaissance city.

Orle Gniazda (Eagles' Nests) is a hilly area with losts of castles (mostly ruined by Swedes, though), and a place where you can practice climbing.

Here's Pieskowa Skała (Doggy Rock):
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And here's Ogrodzieniec

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and so on.
 
Ok, so serious question. As an American, how would I go about getting legal clearance to work in Poland for a year? Are there many American companies who might need an extra flunkie?

American stuff is trendy in Poland, you would probably get a job cause you're American. Just say American stuff and smile a lot like you usually do and you're set.

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If you spend your entire money on housing, you'll still be able to afford 0,3 sq m of housing in Warsaw

That's Warsaw though, the most expensive city in Poland by far, with a GDP higher than the EU average. Stuff elsewhere in Poland is a lot cheaper.

Squonk said:
I have a slight dislike for krupnik only, which is a soup of my region.

Krupnik is pretty bland. It was my least favourite soup after flaki and grochowka.

Squonk said:
Anyway, the evil twin buried his brother in the royal castle in Krakow, among the kings. He and his supporters waged a great war on the new president when he was elected instead of him. A temporary wooden cross was established in front of the presidential palace during the mourning, and these people didn't want to allow to take it away when the mourning was over. There was a big division between PiS and the other parties ever since its 2005-7 rule, which was characterised by misuse of power for political gains against everyone, and sort of authoritarian tendencies. But the crash made the division even stronger. First of all because the dead twin was the calmer one, and secondly because the surviving twin seems to believe these were Russians, together with prime minister Tusk (a crypto-German in his opinion), who killed his brother.

Typical Polish political discourse... or new movie by Michael Bay?

Squonk said:
There are milions of people of polish origin in USA

So many that the city with the 2nd highest Polish population isn't even in Poland, it's in Illinois

Squonk said:
Bialowieza forest, which is the last surviving part of the natural forest (untouched by humans) in Europe. It is the home of zubr, which is sort of a bufallo.

I just wanted to add that I just bought some żubr beer, which is made in my dad's hometown of Bialystok, which is close to bialowieza forest. I also got some żubrowka vodka, which comes
with a single blade of the sweet grass that the żubr eat. It's my favourite vodka and my favourite liquor to do shots with. They go down smoooooth. Give it a try! żubrowka!
From the last remaining patch of primeval forest that once covered most of Europe! Drink responsibly.
 
American stuff is trendy in Poland, you would probably get a job cause you're American. Just say American stuff and smile a lot like you usually do and you're set.

DON'T tell them about Joseph Smith

:lol: I'll keep the Mormon stuff on the DL.

My company has a branch in Poland, and in two years, I could be asked to go there for a while to help train (Germany is another option). Given that I live in like, the most Polish place outside of Poland itself, I think I could learn some basic Polish by then. My girlfriend is considering doing graduate work at some Polish or German universities, and this seems as good a time as any to live overseas for a while.

The Visa thing really isn't a problem? Is Poland a particularly expensive place to live? I remember reading that Warsaw kind of is?
 
:lol: I'll keep the Mormon stuff on the DL.

My company has a branch in Poland, and in two years, I could be asked to go there for a while to help train (Germany is another option). Given that I live in like, the most Polish place outside of Poland itself, I think I could learn some basic Polish by then. My girlfriend is considering doing graduate work at some Polish or German universities, and this seems as good a time as any to live overseas for a while.

The Visa thing really isn't a problem? Is Poland a particularly expensive place to live? I remember reading that Warsaw kind of is?

I left Poland in 1987 (or something like that) and have only been back once in 2004. But I can try to answer some of your questions.

From my understanding anywhere outside of Warsaw is cheap, if you assume American standards. That's not to say that Warsaw is expensive, or that there aren't other
pockets of expensive real estate elsewhere in Poland, but that's the general trend I think.

Check out this site I just found (scroll down for the list)

According to this list Warsaw is cheaper to live in than Mexico City and Los Angeles.. and Funafuti, Tuvalu. and a lot of other places.

Found this too

So everything will be cheaper except.. gas, clothing and shoes.. and... real estate, which does not include rent. So it's looking pretty good. Warsaw is a big city and probably the best place in Poland for a foreigner to live.

By the way, I am still not over the fact that real estate in Warsaw is 68% more expensive than real estate in Chicago.. and that the median monthly disposable salary is 63% lower.. It's crazy because there have been a lot of big construction projects going on in downtown Warsaw over the last 10 years (lots of skyscrapers, a subway line, new national stadium).. I assumed it was happening because real estate was cheap and so Poland was a good place to buy up land in a large city and build some skyscrapers..
 
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