Assassination Program is a "State Secret"

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I was surprised that I could not find this story here yet, considering it got picked up a bit on the many major internet blogs.

Obama invokes 'state secrets' claim to dismiss suit against targeting of U.S. citizen al-Aulaqi

By Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 25, 2010; 1:49 AM

The Obama administration urged a federal judge early Saturday to dismiss a lawsuit over its targeting of a U.S. citizen for killing overseas, saying that the case would reveal state secrets.

The U.S.-born citizen, Anwar al-Aulaqi, is a cleric now believed to be in Yemen. Federal authorities allege that he is leading a branch of al-Qaeda there.

Government lawyers called the state-secrets argument a last resort to toss out the case, and it seems likely to revive a debate over the reach of a president's powers in the global war against al-Qaeda.

Civil liberties groups sued the U.S. government on behalf of Aulaqi's father, arguing that the CIA and the Joint Special Operations Command's placement of Aulaqi on a capture-or-kill list of suspected terrorists - outside a war zone and absent an imminent threat - amounted to an extrajudicial execution order against a U.S. citizen. They asked a U.S. district court in Washington to block the targeting.

In response, Justice Department spokesman Matthew Miller said that the groups are asking "a court to take the unprecedented step of intervening in an ongoing military action to direct the President how to manage that action - all on behalf of a leader of a foreign terrorist organization."

Miller added, "If al-Aulaqi wishes to access our legal system, he should surrender to American authorities and return to the United States, where he will be held accountable for his actions."

In a statement, lawyers for Nasser al-Aulaqi condemned the government's request to dismiss the case without debating its merits, saying that judicial review of the pursuit of targets far from the battlefield of Afghanistan is vital.

"The idea that courts should have no role whatsoever in determining the criteria by which the executive branch can kill its own citizens is unacceptable in a democracy," the American Civil Liberties Union and Center for Constitutional Rights said.

"In matters of life and death, no executive should have a blank check," they said.

The government filed its brief to U.S. District Judge Robert Bates just after a midnight Friday deadline, blaming technical problems, and the late-night maneuvering underscored the political and diplomatic stakes for President Obama. His administration announced last year that it would set a higher bar when hiding details of controversial national security policies.

Justice Department officials said they invoked the controversial legal argument reluctantly, mindful that domestic and international critics attacked former president George W. Bush for waging the fight against terrorism with excessive secrecy and unchecked claims of executive power.

The Obama administration has cited the state-secrets argument in at least three cases since taking office - in defense of Bush-era warrantless wiretapping, surveillance of an Islamic charity, and the torture and rendition of CIA prisoners. It prevailed in the last case last week, on a 6 to 5 vote by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.

A senior Justice official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the administration is engaging in "a much narrower use of state secrets" than did its predecessor, which cited the argument dozens of times - often, the official said, to "shut down inquiries into wrongdoing."

In its 60-page filing, the Justice Department cites state secrets as the last of four arguments, objecting first that Aulaqi's father lacks standing, that courts cannot lawfully bind future presidents' actions in as-yet undefined conflicts, and that in war the targeting of adversaries is inherently a "political question."

Robert M. Chesney, a national security law specialist at the University of Texas School of Law, said that Obama lawyers would undoubtedly prefer not to stoke the state-secrets debate, or to risk judicial review of its claim to a borderless battlefield.

"The real big issue here is . . . are we only at war in Afghanistan, or can the U.S. government lawfully use war powers in other cases, at least where the host nation consents or there is no host government?" Chesney said.

"You're trying to avoid a judicial ruling on the merits of the whole issue," Chesney said, adding, "But at the end of the day, if it's your best argument in a case you want to win, you're going to make that argument."

Glenn Greenwald at Salon wrote a biased but legitimate opinion piece of the whole ordeal. I'll put it in spoilers.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/09/25/secrecy/index.html

Spoiler :
At this point, I didn't believe it was possible, but the Obama administration has just reached an all-new low in its abysmal civil liberties record. In response to the lawsuit filed by Anwar Awlaki's father asking a court to enjoin the President from assassinating his son, a U.S. citizen, without any due process, the administration late last night, according to The Washington Post, filed a brief asking the court to dismiss the lawsuit without hearing the merits of the claims. That's not surprising: both the Bush and Obama administrations have repeatedly insisted that their secret conduct is legal but nonetheless urge courts not to even rule on its legality. But what's most notable here is that one of the arguments the Obama DOJ raises to demand dismissal of this lawsuit is "state secrets": in other words, not only does the President have the right to sentence Americans to death with no due process or charges of any kind, but his decisions as to who will be killed and why he wants them dead are "state secrets," and thus no court may adjudicate their legality.

A very intense case of food poisoning in New York on Thursday, combined with my traveling home all night last night, prevents me from writing much about this until tomorrow (and it's what rendered the blog uncharacteristically silent for the last two days). But I would hope that nobody needs me or anyone else to explain why this assertion of power is so pernicious -- at least as pernicious as any power asserted during the Bush/Cheney years. If the President has the power to order American citizens killed with no due process, and to do so in such complete secrecy that no courts can even review his decisions, then what doesn't he have the power to do? Just for the moment, I'll note that The New York Times' Charlie Savage, two weeks ago, wrote about the possibility that Obama might raise this argument, and quoted the far-right, Bush-supporting, executive-power-revering lawyer David Rivkin as follows:

The government's increasing use of the state secrets doctrine to shield its actions from judicial review has been contentious. Some officials have argued that invoking it in the Awlaki matter, about which so much is already public, would risk a backlash. David Rivkin, a lawyer in the White House of President George H. W. Bush, echoed that concern.

"I'm a huge fan of executive power, but if someone came up to you and said the government wants to target you and you can't even talk about it in court to try to stop it, that’s too harsh even for me," he said.

Having debated him before, I genuinely didn't think it was possible for any President to concoct an assertion of executive power and secrecy that would be excessive and alarming to David Rivkin, but Barack Obama managed to do that, too. Obama's now asserting a power so radical -- the right to kill American citizens and do so in total secrecy, beyond even the reach of the courts -- that it's "too harsh even for" one of the most far-right War on Terror cheerleading-lawyers in the nation. But that power is certainly not "too harsh" for the kind-hearted Constitutional Scholar we elected as President, nor for his hordes of all-justifying supporters soon to place themselves to the right of David Rivkin as they explain why this is all perfectly justified. One other thing, as always: vote Democrat, because the Republicans are scary!

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The same Post article quotes a DOJ spokesman as saying that Awlaki "should surrender to American authorities and return to the United States, where he will be held accountable for his actions." But he's not been charged with any crimes, let alone indicted for any. The President has been trying to kill him for the entire year without any of that due process. And now the President refuses even to account to an American court for those efforts to kill this American citizen on the ground that the President's unilateral imposition of the death penalty is a "state secret." And, indeed, American courts -- at Obama's urging -- have been upholding that sort of a "state secrecy" claim even when it comes to war crimes such as torture and rendition. Does that sound like a political system to which any sane, rational person would "surrender"?

Marcy Wheeler has more on other aspects of the DOJ's arguments, and I'll have more tomorrow as well.

UPDATE: As a reminder: Obama supporters who are dutifully insisting that the President not only has the right to order American citizens killed without due process, but to do so in total secrecy, on the ground that Awlaki is a Terrorist and Traitor, are embracing those accusations without having the slightest idea whether they're actually true. All they know is that Obama has issued these accusations, which is good enough for them. That's the authoritarian mind, by definition: if the Leader accuses a fellow citizen of something, then it's true -- no trial or any due process at all is needed and there is no need even for judicial review before the decreed sentence is meted out, even when the sentence is death.

For those reciting the "Awlaki-is-a-traitor" mantra, there's also the apparently irrelevant matter that Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution (the document which these same Obama supporters pretended to care about during the Bush years) provides that "No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court." Treason is a crime that the Constitution specifically requires be proven with due process in court, not by unilateral presidential decree. And that's to say nothing of the fact that the same document -- the Constitution -- expressly forbids the deprivation of life "without due process of law." This one sentence from the Post article nicely summarizes the state of Obama's civil liberties record:

The Obama administration has cited the state-secrets argument in at least three cases since taking office - in defense of Bush-era warrantless wiretapping, surveillance of an Islamic charity, and the torture and rendition of CIA prisoners.

And now, in this case, Obama uses this secrecy and immunity weapon not to shield Bush lawlessness from judicial review, but his own.

Obama's record regarding civil liberties hasn't been good at all when it comes to the "War on Terror," yet few people seem to be talking about it. He has continued a lot of Bush's practices and even pushed for some pretty ugly new ones.

Edit: First article is Washington Post, sorry about that. See here.
 
This topic has been discussed at length before. I almost bumped it after the latest articles appeared in the local paper but decided not to, probably due to the recent spate of connection problems.

"The idea that courts should have no role whatsoever in determining the criteria by which the executive branch can kill its own citizens is unacceptable in a democracy," the American Civil Liberties Union and Center for Constitutional Rights said.
QFT.

Obama's record regarding civil liberties hasn't been good at all when it comes to the "War on Terror," yet few people seem to be talking about it. He has continued a lot of Bush's practices and even pushed for some pretty ugly new ones.
Yep. He is clearly no "liberal" in this regard, but you might say it supports the position he may actually be much more prone to fascist views than libertarian ones, much like his predecessor.
 
While ignoring the third line of the first quote and the URL of the second story? Why don't you try discussing the issues instead of trying to discredit the source?
 
As the phrase goes, "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."

Like everyone will tell you, the parties are different in terms of aesthetics. In practice, however, they follow a similar platform with little true variation. Whether a conspiracy or just the nature of politics, I understand perfectly how one's values very often don't translate as one's policies.

I will laugh if the Republicans use this as ammunition against the Democrats though. It's only bad when the other guy does it, eh? ;)

But yes, stating the obvious: I think it's dumb Obama won't at least allow the Courts to decide if he has the power to do such things. Sorry Pres, but you are below their authority just as much as everyone else. You can't cover everything with "national security." ...Not to compare Obama to Nixon.
 
Is anyone even going to try to defend this? This is the President of the United States asserting the power to issue kill orders for U.S. citizens without any judicial process, and then preventing those citizens from even gaining entry to the courts to prevent the government from killing them.

And our news media are obsessed with whether a former elected official was booed while attending a reality television contest in which her daughter is competing. That's what's really important, not the government's unreviewable process-free assassination programs. I've said for years that you can't criticize Americans for their politics without understanding how mind-bogglingly stupid our political press is.

But yes, stating the obvious: I think it's dumb Obama won't at least allow the Courts to decide if he has the power to do such things. Sorry Pres, but you are below their authority just as much as everyone else. You can't cover everything with "national security." ...Not to compare Obama to Nixon.

Please, comparing Obama to Nixon is ridiculous. Obama's probably quite a bit to the right of Nixon, politically.

Cleo
 
So um, just to throw out a hypothetical. What if a US citizen during WWII had become a very high ranking general in the Wehrmacht? Would it be out of bounds to target him for either being captured or killed? Kinda like how we targeted and killed Admiral Yamamoto?

Btw, this sounds less like assassination and more like "wanted dead or alive"
 
Is anyone even going to try to defend this? This is the President of the United States asserting the power to issue kill orders for U.S. citizens without any judicial process, and then preventing those citizens from even gaining entry to the courts to prevent the government from killing them.

Some will defend anything provided you justify it under "national security," sadly.

Just look at the wiretapping and whatnot. But that's nothing in comparison. Even Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus has nothing on this. We're talking about the government being able to kill whoever it wants, simply if it can tie them to terrorists in any way.

This isn't the crisis that was the Civil War where the country was split in half and where we lost the most soldiers to date. This isn't listening in on your calls. This isn't the old debate of whether non-citizens such as illegals and enemy combatants should have the same rights as citizens.

This is the government stating that it need not try you - an American citizen, meaning you are guaranteed due process, no debate whatsoever - to put a bullet in your head. Last I checked, we still give traitors a trial. So it shouldn't matter if you're overseas or not.

So sure, the military and police are different for a reason, as many said on the whole Miranda Rights for combatants topic. But we're talking about citizens here. Those who have the same rights from their government no matter where the Hell they are.

All this not touching upon, not meaning to be dramatic, but justification of ever authoritarian policy as "national security" tends to be the road to even more authoritarianism.

And our news media are obsessed with whether a former elected official was booed while attending a reality television contest in which her daughter is competing. That's what's really important, not the government's unreviewable process-free assassination programs. I've said for years that you can't criticize Americans for their politics without understanding how mind-bogglingly stupid our political press is.

To be fair, that's as much the fault of our people as the press; the People don't wanna hear about the new bill. They wanna hear about which teen celebrity has won Most Anorexic of the Year award.

I've talked to family members and I'll just say you lose faith in democracy even within your own bloodline; you don't need to look at fringe movements. They simply said "taxes are stupid"... even after I explained all the goods taxes give us. Never mind my sister went anti-Obama instantly when my Dad told her that he would raise taxes enough he wouldn't be able to buy her as much stuff... :crazyeye:

Please, comparing Obama to Nixon is ridiculous. Obama's probably quite a bit to the right of Nixon, politically.

It would've been more valid if Nixon used national security rather than executive privilege as an excuse to try and escape the Court's grasp... but then again, both have tried.

In before someone suggests Obama be impeached for this. :mischief:

VRWCAgent said:
So um, just to throw out a hypothetical. What if a US citizen during WWII had become a very high ranking general in the Wehrmacht? Would it be out of bounds to target him for either being captured or killed? Kinda like how we targeted and killed Admiral Yamamoto?

I dunno about you, but I consider the Nazis to have been 1000x or more the threat Al-Qaeda could ever be.

So you killed a few thousand people, congrats Osama. Hitler killed tens of millions and raped a whole continent. Take a number.

Never mind that it's a case-by-case basis. Execution of the hypothetical general probably would have been justified; this guy? Storm his fortress or wherever he's hiding, kill his goons, and if he picks up a gun, shoot him too. Otherwise, take him home for trial. You only kill your foe if he tries to kill you.
 
So um, just to throw out a hypothetical. What if a US citizen during WWII had become a very high ranking general in the Wehrmacht? Would it be out of bounds to target him for either being captured or killed? Kinda like how we targeted and killed Admiral Yamamoto?

That's a good question. But it is my opinion that it's not analogous at all to the current situation because the "War on Terror" is essentially police action against a criminal enterprise, rather than a war between belligerent armies. (No matter how much al-Qa'eda wants to think of it as a "war.") WWII was well-defined -- we had an enemy, Germany, which had a military, the Wehrmacht, which had officers, e.g., Dieter Defendant. It had an end point, Germany's surrender. It's the application of wartime norms to non-wartime situations that causes the problems.

Even if you think that the current situation is a "war" and that the President ought to have these powers, you must at least recognize that the government having a secret assassination list and the authority to kill people on that list without anyone ever knowing about it -- heck, without anyone ever being able even to ask a court to find out about it -- is a little unsettling.

What would those revolutionary anti-colonialists think? ;) After all, they wrote "No person shall be deprived of life . . . without due process of law."

Cleo
 
what part of war on terror don't people get?

kill him

Is anyone even going to try to defend this? This is the President of the United States asserting the power to issue kill orders for U.S. citizens without any judicial process, and then preventing those citizens from even gaining entry to the courts to prevent the government from killing them.

I just defended it. It's the smartest move Obama has made. Saving lives>one terrorist's rights. I was wrong about you Obama. I thought you were an america hater. But this just proves he wants to preserve America. Obama :goodjob:
 
We're talking about the government being able to kill whoever it wants, simply if it can tie them to terrorists in any way.

Not to nitpick (I agree with you), but I want to make clear how hard it is to overstate the position taken in this litigation. What you've written isn't entirely correct. We're actually talking about the government being able to kill whomever it wants, simply if it can make an entirely unreviewable assertion that the person is tied to terrorists in any way. The Obama administration's position is that you can't even get through the courthouse doors simply to ask that it tie the person to terrorists.

Cleo
 
what part of war on terror don't people get?

kill him

It's not so much killing him that's the issue(granted, a lot of people are anti-death but that's besides the point), but that he's a US citizen, meaning he's protected by the Constitution, and the government is wiping their butts with it by saying he can be executed at any time.

Never mind Obama's not at least letting the Courts decide if he legally has the power to do this. Whatever happened to checks and balances?

Not to nitpick (I agree with you), but I want to make clear how hard it is to overstate the position taken in this litigation. What you've written isn't entirely correct. We're actually talking about the government being able to kill whomever it wants, simply if it can make an entirely unreviewable assertion that the person is tied to terrorists in any way.

Indeed, I sugarcoated it... it's even worse; no evidence required. It's like Obama was made the secular Pope and can determine whoever's a terrorist immediately without fallibility. No possibility of abuse or huge error. None at all.

And then killing you. Not locking you up without trial so you can later be released if possible, outright execution. Closest to this I think was the suspension of habeas corpus, and that was during a serious crisis. And at least you could be released once no longer a threat or proven innocent. (There's a reason many support life imprisonment over capital punishment)

The Obama administration's position is that you can't even get through the courthouse doors simply to ask that it tie the person to terrorists.

I just hope the Court doesn't back down.

And that Democrats remember this next election when picking a nominee(as embarrassing as it is to be rejected by your own Party when an incumbent). I know a lot of people say single issues shouldn't be the basis of the vote, but... it's in the President's job description to protect the Constitution. And here he is spitting on it - telling the Courts to back down when they have a good mind to question him, saying summary executions are a-okay...

How can you trust a man who'd spit on the sacred right to life, that which all others are derived, and without a trial as well? Oh, and never mind all this being against the rights of citizens... what was it, not being deprived of liberty, life or limb without a fair trial?
 
Is anyone even going to try to defend this?
Eh, it's way past my bedtime, and I really need to sleep, but what the hell, I'll give it a shot as the Devil's advocate. :)

The issue:
This is the President of the United States asserting the power to issue kill orders for U.S. citizens without any judicial process, and then preventing those citizens from even gaining entry to the courts to prevent the government from killing them.

I can see two main developments that has led to the situation turning out like this, and two possible choices ahead. One of those choices is that "the President of the United States asserting the power to issue kill orders for U.S. citizens without any judicial process". I'll come to the other.

The first development you have already touched upon:
That's a good question. But it is my opinion that it's not analogous at all to the current situation because the "War on Terror" is essentially police action against a criminal enterprise, rather than a war between belligerent armies. (No matter how much al-Qa'eda wants to think of it as a "war.") WWII was well-defined -- we had an enemy, Germany, which had a military, the Wehrmacht, which had officers, e.g., Dieter Defendant. It had an end point, Germany's surrender. It's the application of wartime norms to non-wartime situations that causes the problems.
In todays world - well from the beginning of this millennium - military action and police action has become intermingled, and the difference between capturing a heavily armed criminal and fighting a war against a country is on its way to being eradicated.

Bounty hunters, secret agents, weapons depots, kidnappers, police, battlefields, terrorists, drug lords, corporate warriors, huge state armies, smugglers, extremists of all kinds, rebels and hit men seem to all have been mixed together into the same madness.

As such, it seems more and more evident that police will need military abilities and the military will need police abilities, and we will be losing the notion of having the police maintain security inside the state, and the military maintain security outside the state.

The second development is that the world is becoming more and more globalised. Migration becomes easier, trade and communication goes all over the world at all times, and multicultural societies become more and more the norm. Because of this notions such as American (US citisen), Norwegian, Mexican, Iranian, Egyptian and whatever else becomes less and less useful as labels that say anything at all about the people bearing them.

These two developments together means that if a person has a US citisenship, but resides in Yemen and actively fights the US, there is little to distinguish him in any real way from a person having some other citisenship, residing anywhere and fighting the US, since a Muslim Afghan may just as well live in the US as in Afghanistan, or in Yemen, etc.

If you insist that the President of the United States can not take the life of a person holding a US citisenship without the permission from a US court, then, by extension, the President of the United States may also not take the life of any other person without permission from a US court. Imagine, if you will, that the Taliban is a bit stronger, and has an armoured division being led by a guy with a US citisenship. Would the President need a US court to give permission before he can give orders to fight this division and kill/capture this guy? What if there were a thousand US citisens in the ranks of a well-armed Taliban military?

Of course, for fighting a war such a requirement would be absolutely disastrous. It would bring any advance a US military force could make to a screeching halt every time they needed to get a new permission from a court.

Or could they simply get an extended permission to fight until the war was over? But what then would hinder the President from ordering the killing of this person in Yemen? Or the killing of a US citisen anywhere, even inside US territory?

The two possible choices seem to be to insist the the President needs a court's permission every time he wish to kill/kill-if-can't-capture a US citisen, or to accept that the President does not need a court's permission to kill at all.

/Devil's advocate.

What do you think? Was I able to put together a logical argument at all, or is it just a big piece of rambling? And does it make sense? :)
 
We shoot criminals that are citizens practically every day in this nation in trying to apprehend them. And the more dangerous the criminal, the more likely the use of deadly force being used. I dont really see the difference here.
 
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