BNP, does anyone take them seriously?

[Quackers]

What did you disprove with that fact? About whether London is an English city anymore? And you use racial data to show a white majority to demonstrate that - so your a racist too? Or at the very least relying on a race=culture false premise. Time for the left to grow up and understand it's possible non-whites can be English too, intergration and assimilation is preferable to multiculturalism.

Anyway I don't like some of these immigrants, just imagine useless try and strut around Tower Hamlets with a pink flower in his hair and a rainbow t-shirt on, it wouldn't be pretty.

 

[brennan]

rofl, I think you two are firing at the wrong target. I don't give a hoot about immigration or skin colour.

 

[Quackers]

Yet you proved London remains an English city by it's number of white faces...???

 

[Benefactor]

Yet you proved London remains an English city by it's number of white faces...???

Stop being cute, you know exactly what someone saying "I don't believe London is an English city anymore" means.

 

[Traitorfish]

Ah, so you really don't like to admit that there are examples of immigration that were disastrous for their host cultures?

I don't recall suggesting otherwise.

So you've just conceded something without realising it.

So tell me, what happened to the religion of universal peace, love, tolerance and multicultural forerunner exemplar par excellence? I guess it wasn't the friend you were hoping for.... awww.. so sad, too bad!!

[is this where I say I told you so?

I think that went over your head just a little.

Didn't 20% of people in Britain recently say they were thinking of voting BNP? And when Nick Griffin said "London is no longer a British city" didn't the majority of British people agree with him?

So your claim goes completely opposite to reality - what really happened is that the British people worked out for themselves that the BNP have to some extent got a point and are right about many things. And they worked it out despite massive educational and media controls designed to browbeat them into conformity with a completely contrary position. So it's clear that the media do not reflect either the objective facts regarding the BNP, nor the diverse opinions of the British people.

Even taking you at your word, which as other posters have observed is a bit of a stretch, what are the significance of those numbers? What is significant about the fact that such-and-such number of people considered voting BNP (and then overwhelmingly did not)? What does it matter what a lot of people who don't live in London think about it? You can't just cast this stuff in front of us as if it proves anything, when it, y'know, doesn't prove anything.

 

[brennan]

No I linked a figure that said almost 60% of Londoners were defined as 'White, Britsh' in response to a post that alleged that 'most people believe that London isn't a British city'. And that more than 85% of the UK is still 'White, British' after 60 years of immigration.

Ergo: I do not think immigration is an issue and that anyone who thinks it is reads the Sun or the Fail too much and probably can't do basic math. Even if you thought (and I don't btw for your information) that being 'White, British' meant that you were in some way 'properly British' and meant that you 'belonged here' then simple statistics stand against you if you believe that we are deluged by immigrants and in danger of being taken over.

 

[holy king]

the tactic is: say something crypto racist, wait for being called out on it, deny it being racist. (or better yet: accuse the other person of being racist for their interpretation of what you said).

you cant really do anything against this but ignore the statement in the first place.

 

[Ayn Rand]

Let's keep the temperature cool in here

I don't give a flying wossname what demented Sun readers 'believe'. I like facts:

Greater London - population 59.5% White British.
UK - 85.7% White British in 2001.

Source = wiki
This is after 50-60 years of sustained immigration. Immigration would not even be an issue if unemployment was not high right now (and blaming unemployment on immigration is based on a flawed premise).

The funniest thing about people who moan about immigration? They all want to migrate to Spain.

Well, that was 2001, 11 years ago - we've had 11 years of large-scale immigration and low British birth-rate since then.

Why is it even important that there be white British people in the first place?

Why is it not important?

I don't recall suggesting otherwise.

Well, you took direct exception to my claim that immigration can be very destructive and to my using the Indian/Aboriginal experience as previous examples of that.

I think that went over your head just a little.

No it didn't - I was making a joke, because only very recently there was a resilient defence on these boards about the multicultural credentials of Islam. Now you implicitly recognise it as something else.

Even taking you at your word, which as other posters have observed is a bit of a stretch, what are the significance of those numbers? What is significant about the fact that such-and-such number of people considered voting BNP (and then overwhelmingly did not)? What does it matter what a lot of people who don't live in London think about it? You can't just cast this stuff in front of us as if it proves anything, when it, y'know, doesn't prove anything.

The significance is that you claimed the media were reflecting the genuine opinion of the British people, and that the British authentically and independently detest the BNP and their principles. I was claiming that the media didn't reflect authentic opinion, because large numbers of people think the BNP have a point and the media bias doesn't reflect this.

 

[Ajidica]

Why is it not important?

Because you guys lost the Empire.

 

[Crezth]

Why is it not important?

You don't get to do that, buster. The onus of proof is on you.

 

[Ayn Rand]

You don't get to do that, buster. The onus of proof is on you.

Would you ask a black person to justify why it's important that black people should exist?

No, I didn't think so. The inconsistency is tangible.

 

[Crezth]

Would you ask a black person to justify why it's important that black people should exist?

No, I didn't think so. The inconsistency is tangible.

Why does it matter if people are white or black?

 

[Traitorfish]

Well, you took direct exception to my claim that immigration can be very destructive and to my using the Indian/Aboriginal experience as previous examples of that.

I took exception to your posing a direct analogy between the colonisation of North American and Australia and between contemporary immigration to the United Kingdom.

No it didn't - I was making a joke, because only very recently there was a resilient defence on these boards about the multicultural credentials of Islam. Now you implicitly recognise it as something else.

So which is it, then- that multiculturalism is always dogmatically opposed to non-multicultural worldviews, or that it is not? Make up yer mind.

The significance is that you claimed the media were reflecting the genuine opinion of the British people, and that the British authentically and independently detest the BNP and their principles. I was claiming that the media didn't reflect authentic opinion, because large numbers of people think the BNP have a point and the media bias doesn't reflect this.

You realise that 20% of the population is a distinct minority of the population, don't you? It's entirely possible for 20% of the population to be racists or sympathetic to racist, and the majority to be hostile towards racists.

 

[Ayn Rand]

Why does it matter if people are white or black?

That's a different question altogether.

I took exception to your posing a direct analogy between the colonisation of North American and Australia and between contemporary immigration to the United Kingdom.

But I'm talking about future possibilities. Colonisation of North America occurred over centuries. Ours has only been underway for a few decades.

So which is it, then- that multiculturalism is always dogmatically opposed to non-multicultural worldviews, or that it is not? Make up yer mind.

Multiculturalism first has to recognise the incompatibility. Because of Islam's inherent collectivism it is still only just dawning on multiculturalists that Islam is not compatible with their view. They will respond by either attacking Islam [unlikely] or abandoning multiculturalism for a new but similar ideology [likely].

You realise that 20% of the population is a distinct minority of the population, don't you? It's entirely possible for 20% of the population to be racists or sympathetic to racist, and the majority to be hostile towards racists.

Whether they are a minority or not, and whatever the figure is, the media clearly aren't reporting objectively or accurately regarding the BNP.

 

[Crezth]

That's a different question altogether.

How so?

 

[brennan]

Well, that was 2001, 11 years ago - we've had 11 years of large-scale immigration and low British birth-rate since then.

... and don't forget that all the real Brits - you know, the ones opposed to immigration - are all migrating to Spain or the South of France.

Even after another 11 years of alleged 'mass immigration' the K is still over 80% White, British by the latest figures i've seen.

Why is it not important?

Because it isn't. Skin colour does not determine culture, personality traits, intelligence or anything else worth a damn. You can be just as 'British' with black skin as with white, brown, yellow, purple, blue, green. The only difference is that if your skin is not white it means that your ancestors probably migrated to these sceptered isles more recently then someone whose skin is white - whose ancestors are probably just as German as the Queen's.

Well, you took direct exception to my claim that immigration can be very destructive and to my using the Indian/Aboriginal experience as previous examples of that.

Hmm. Invasion/genocide =/= immigration.

 

[aelf]

Or at the very least relying on a race=culture false premise. Time for the left to grow up and understand it's possible non-whites can be English too, intergration and assimilation is preferable to multiculturalism.

Maybe you can answer the question: So what is race if culture does not factor hugely in it?

 

[Ayn Rand]

How so?

Just look at the two questions and you'll see the difference:


1.)Why is it even important that there be white British people in the first place?

2.)Why does it matter if people are white or black?


The second is a perfectly resonable question, the first is an insult that you wouldn't dare to ask of a black man or an Asian or of anyone other than a white person.

 

[Crezth]

Just look at the two questions and you'll see the difference:


1.)Why is it even important that there be white British people in the first place?

2.)Why does it matter if people are white or black?


The second is a perfectly resonable question, the first is an insult that you wouldn't dare to ask of a black man or an Asian or of anyone other than a white person.

What is an insult?

 

[Traitorfish]

But I'm talking about future possibilities. Colonisation of North America occurred over centuries. Ours has only been underway for a few decades.

And when I asked what similarities you saw between the process that would lead you to make the comparison, you refused to answer. Perhaps you might be able to furnish us with an answer this time round?

Multiculturalism first has to recognise the incompatibility. Because of Islam's inherent collectivism it is still only just dawning on multiculturalists that Islam is not compatible with their view.

What's leading them astray on the matter?

They will respond by either attacking Islam [unlikely] or abandoning multiculturalism for a new but similar ideology [likely].

What makes you say that?

Whether they are a minority or not, and whatever the figure is, the media clearly aren't reporting objectively or accurately regarding the BNP.

So where did you get your statistics, then?

Just look at the two questions and you'll see the difference:


1.)Why is it even important that there be white British people in the first place?

2.)Why does it matter if people are white or black?


The second is a perfectly resonable question, the first is an insult that you wouldn't dare to ask of a black man or an Asian or of anyone other than a white person.

Sure we would. For example: Aelf, why it important that there are Asian people in the first place?