Britain in Europe

[Leoreth]

Anyway I already see some of the naysayers and bigots have been let out of their cages today...The ones who pretend to have Britain's interest at their heart, whilst simultaneously mocking huge section of British public opinion. Staggering contradiction really...

Stop being cute, Quackers. Grow a pair and address the posts you disagree with directly.

 

[Arakhor]

Stupid question: Is there a remote possibility of the bolded ever happening?

Never in a million years. Husky's entire circle appears to be made up of complete nutters.

 

[GinandTonic]

Your post is missing one essential point that adds to the political dynamic - that alot of Lib Dem support is now switching to Labour, and that support is in general pro-EU.

Indeed. If Dave wasnt pooping it he wouldnt be playing such a dangerous game. TBH I think he knows it doesnt look good for reelection so he wants to change the game even if he cant be quite sure where it will lead. Utterly self serving.

Clegg is out before the next election. Lab/ Lib are already making nice excepting Clegg. Lab and poss Lib need to undercut the BNP on social housing. Thats the source of the groundswell of working class antipathy to free movement of labour in the EU. Difficult since right to buy is to Lab what the NHS is to the Tories - something that goes against the whole point of their existence but that is so popular that they can never question it for a second.

 

[Mise]

Well the Tories have given them a good hand on social housing. The Tories are cutting housing benefit not because there is insufficient housing, but because the Tories don't believe that poor people should be allowed to live in houses they can't afford. That allows Labour to blame the Tories, and shields them from accusations that immigration caused stress to the housing system. It wasn't insufficient housing that was the problem -- it was the Tories cutting housing benefit because they want you to move to crap houses instead. If Labour were in power, you'd still be living in Bermondsey or whatever.

 

[Winner]

Personally, I support an "in or out" referendum to be held in Britain. Brits need to sort out their schizophrenic relationship with the EU once and for all. I am fine either way, although I'd prefer Britain to stay and keep pushing for things that make sense (aka liberalism) against the southern socialist rim. I do expect though that if they choose to stay, they will stop acting as a giant thorn in the foot every time the EU is trying to make itself more effective as an organization.

Neither the Czechs nor the Slovaks wanted to become independent but the political parties could not agree so Czechoslovakia broke up.

Not even political parties, but their respective chairmen. The analogy doesn't work perfectly though because today the leadership in both countries celebrate the fact that we've reunited under the EU banner.

How would Britain reunite if it left the bloc?

Stupid question: Is there a remote possibility of the bolded ever happening?

No.

First, the US has openly warned Britain against leaving the EU, making it clear that it would kind of mean the end of the "special relationship" (simply because Britain would have nothing to offer to the US in terms of diplomatic influence in Europe).

Second, if the Brits whine all day long about "stifling" regulation from Brussels, guess how they would react to more and stronger regulation from Washington, where their relative voice would be even less significant than the one they have in the EU?

 

[ace99]

But how will Britain keep Europe divided if it leaves the EU? (Someone find the Yes Prime Minister clip I'm too lazy)

 

[Borachio]

Link to video.


Link to video.

 

[Virote_Considon]

With friends like those to be found in the EU you wouldn't need enemies!

You're choiring to the preacher here

Yeah it all seems completely bizarre. There seems to be some sort of group behind the PM pulling his arm into doing this;

There is; some time ago (months? a year?) there was a huge furore as a load of backbenchers started to get their knickers in a twist because David was being quiet on the European question.

Anyway I already see some of the naysayers and bigots have been let out of their cages today...The ones who pretend to have Britain's interest at their heart, whilst simultaneously mocking huge section of British public opinion. Staggering contradiction really...

Yeah, I also see that the anti-EU treasoniers who want the UK to have much less global influence and a much lower standard of life are out and about! EDIT: Obligatory argument-winning smiley

 

[Arakhor]

Traitors. Those who commit treason are traitors.

 

[Peck of Arabia]

Isn't having too much global influence, or a notion thereof, kind of what gets us in trouble in the first place? Some residual feeling of being the World's Policeman, well, World's Police Community Support Officer.

 

[Borachio]

I agree. I think the UK should become the world's main health provider instead. And roll out the NHS globally.

 

[Ayn Rand]

Why do some brittons don't like us

Maybe because in Holland you euthanase your own children? And that's just the start of the reasons to dislike so-called European "civilisation".

 

[Virote_Considon]

Maybe because in Holland you euthanase your own children? And that's just the start of the reasons to dislike so-called European "civilisation".

Citation please, Lord Haw-Haw.

 

[Ayn Rand]

Citation please, Lord Haw-Haw.

You can google it, it's all over the news but here is one example

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/09/25/new-stats-euthanasia-out-of-control-in-netherlands-up-18/

The media in the Netherlands has reported today that the number of euthanasia deaths in the Netherlands in 2011 increased by 18% to 3695 and there were 13 reported psychiatric patients who died by euthanasia, up from 2 reported psychiatric euthanasia deaths in 2010.

Euthanasia for psychiatric patients in the Netherlands will likely increase substantially over the next few years in response to a Dutch article published last year in the Journal of Psychiatry advocating for the expansion of euthanasia for psychiatric patients.




Since 23% of all euthanasia deaths are not reported in the Netherlands, we can estimate that in 2011, the number of actual euthanasia deaths in the Netherlands was more likely (3695 + 23%) 4544.


Therefore the total number of assisted deaths in the Netherlands in 2011 is more likely (4544 + 226) 4770.

and here http://www.infowars.com/print/life/euthanize_children.htm

The study found that a shocking 45 percent of neo-natologists and 31 percent of pediatricians who responded to questionnaires had killed infants.

 

[GinandTonic]

There is a hell of a lot of it here too, just hidden away off the books. My granny requested to be continued to be made comfortable whatever the consequences. After my grandfather was well enough to leave intensive care he went home to be far enough from the intensive care that he could die with the next turn. We just dont have the balls to call it what it is.

 

[Borachio]

There's some reason to believe that there's a lot less of it now than before Shipman came to public notice.

 

[Leoreth]

And that's just the start of the reasons to dislike so-called European "civilisation".

How ... objective *shades*

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Of course we kill our kids. We don't have enough resources to raise our dikes with climate change and all, so we use them as landfill.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not just Dutch babies either, we're not discriminating.

http://www.blueumbrella.nl/blueumbrella/blue-search-services.html?gclid=CMeE5NGL67QCFefMtAodSAUA6Q

We advise you not to sign an agreement which you cannot read or understand.

Mind you, that's a typo.