Child abuse and the seal of Confession

Firstly, the argument with regards to consistency with other privileges. Framing the object of removing confessional privilege as being simply to 'catch more child abusers' simplifies in such a way as to miss the main point that is being sought - justice. Achieving or obtaining justice is the central aim, with protecting children being a particular instance of that aim. It is absurd to suggest that you achieve the aim of justice by undermining it! That's why the legal client relationship is a completely different creature. In the justice system, the 'one thing' of justice does trump everything else.

I understand the point of this and sympathize, but I think a justice system that classifies protecting its participants as merely a particular part of its existence rather than the entire central premise is missing the point. Legal client privilege must exist here because it is required for the protection of the suspected or accused who are also people the justice system seeks to protect from wrong. Sure, it may carve out protection for people who actually have done miserable things, but the system would dish out worse protection for its members without that privilege.
 
Firstly, the argument with regards to consistency with other privileges. Framing the object of removing confessional privilege as being simply to 'catch more child abusers' simplifies in such a way as to miss the main point that is being sought - justice. Achieving or obtaining justice is the central aim, with protecting children being a particular instance of that aim. It is absurd to suggest that you achieve the aim of justice by undermining it! That's why the legal client relationship is a completely different creature. In the justice system, the 'one thing' of justice does trump everything else.

In comparison, the sanctity of the seal of Confession is not on the justice system's priority list. It's quite odd to suggest that the justice system should be concerned with maintaining the sanctity of the seal as equally as it should be concerned with maintaining justice. The justice system is far more concerned with protecting justice than with protecting Catholic canons of conduct, and to suggest that the legal client privilege is equivalent to the confessional privilege because they both protect something ignores the point that the justice system is not equally concerned with what they protect. Taking away one is not the same as taking the other, as is suggested, because the justice system should clearly not give nearly as much of a damn about the seal of Confession as they should about, you know, justice. Justice is kinda the justice system's thing.

The purpose of the justice system or its priority list is irrelevant. The justice system does not create laws and actually has its priority list set by the entity that does, namely the government as a whole and specifically in this case the Federal level.

It just so happens that the government has a lot of responsibilities that include but are hardly limited to providing for a justice system and ensuring the protection of civil liberties (one of which being religious freedom).

It's inaccurate to describe the purpose of mandatory reporting as solely to prevent other crimes. Concealing knowledge of a serious indictable offence, or failing to report, is reprehensible behaviour in itself. If a priest heard about child abuse outside of the confessional, then we'd all agree that a failure to report is morally repugnant. Failing to report is deserving of punishment, and mandatory reporting laws apply criminal sanctions not simply as a means to coerce reporting in the hope of lessening crime, but to punish morally repugnant behaviour.

Its absolutely accurate, any other goal is just you moralizing whcih is EXACTLY what many a posters argument is in support of removing the confidentiality.

And since you have just reduced your position to a simply moral judgement on those keeping confidence regarding child abuse, you just abandoned all pretext of defending lawyer client privilege via utilitarian need.
 
This isn't just a Catholic seal of confession issue, which Camikaze has already gotten to the law of.

According to Archbishop Pell, the dissembling arse-coverer himself, priests are supposed to grant confession only if they're convinced the person is repentant, and should refuse to hear confession in cases of serious crimes that haven't been revealed to the authorities. He said he wouldn't hear confession from a priest if he thought that priest was going to confess to child abuse. That's a damn near unworkable standard but it does show Catholic recognition that confession is not a blanket automatic right for Catholics.

Moving away from the Catholic Church, a related issue is the secrecy agreements tied to compensation payouts that Anglican institutions have paid out:

An inquiry like a Royal Commission is needed, more than anything, to break open the secrecy around powerful institutions and shed light on them. Since this isn't a criminal trial, the focus isn't identifying abusers but rather institutional responses. Even if priests aren't compelled to reveal names of individuals who confessed to abuse, they can and should be compelled to give evidence on cover-ups and subversions of justice by institutions like the Catholic and Anglican dioceses.

This is a look back to a simpler time when we just thought George Pell, now or formerly the third most senior official in the Vatican (he may have resigned), was covering for molesters. As it turns out, he's going to be put on trial for sexual abuse himself.
 
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Eeeeek! Zombie Thread! :run:
It must be Black Magic!:run:
Someone call the Vatican.....no wait..
 
Looks like the thread is just the right age for the Catholic Church.
 
Wait, was the zombie the abuser, or are we talking about a child zombie sex trafficking operation?
 
I'm not big on supporting beliefs without evidence, but it's hard to see how the broader law of holding people legally responsible to report and especially this case in particular is even competent.

If you create such a law, the obvious incentive will be to avoid confessing the crime. That's back to square 1, with perhaps even less chance of a willing confession/action of someone committing these crimes to choose a path that is likely to physically bar them from continuing them.

On the other hand, good luck enforcing it. The person hearing the confession can simply deny that it was confessed...good luck proving otherwise. Even if the criminal says he confessed it later, person hearing it can counter-claim that perpetrator didn't and is misremembering, or that he interpreted the confession differently.

Convicting someone listening to confessions on this degree of evidence alone is trash, not something a reasonable society thinks is functional. There's literally no way to discern real accusation from false, and not much incentive for either party to alter their behavior regardless under normal circumstances.

If we're talking more obvious actual evidence, then it's not a matter of confessions/concealment any longer.
 
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I'm not big on supporting beliefs without evidence, but it's hard to see how the broader law of holding people legally responsible to report and especially this case in particular is even competent.

If you create such a law, the obvious incentive will be to avoid confessing the crime. That's back to square 1, with perhaps even less chance of a willing confession/action of someone committing these crimes to choose a path that is likely to physically bar them from continuing them.

On the other hand, good luck enforcing it. The person hearing the confession can simply deny that it was confessed...good luck proving otherwise. Even if the criminal says he confessed it later, person hearing it can counter-claim that perpetrator didn't and is misremembering, or that he interpreted the confession differently.

Convicting someone listening to confessions on this degree of evidence alone is trash, not something a reasonable society thinks is functional. There's literally no way to discern real accusation from false, and not much incentive for either party to alter their behavior regardless under normal circumstances.

Generally speaking laws of this sort aren't intended to be enforced, they are written to provide an escape clause. A priest may very well say "the confidentiality of the confessional is above human law," in which case it makes no difference and you are right there is no way to enforce it. But the priest may use the cover of law to report something they otherwise wouldn't, and that cover is provided by this unenforceable law.

The much more effective example of laws of this sort is the one "requiring" medical personnel to report when they treat a suspected abuse victim. Those people were previously left in a very deep moral conflict because the obvious right thing to do violates not only professional commitments to patient privacy but also violated applicable laws. Providing an access for them to do the right thing legally is critical.
 
The much more effective example of laws of this sort is the one "requiring" medical personnel to report when they treat a suspected abuse victim. Those people were previously left in a very deep moral conflict because the obvious right thing to do violates not only professional commitments to patient privacy but also violated applicable laws. Providing an access for them to do the right thing legally is critical.

Okay, that makes more sense. That said, the threat of law barring such reporting is signficantly more problematic. The moral dilemma should not be breaking law vs doing the right thing. The patient privacy thing is not a good comp in that regard, as in most cases victim is a valid patient in some capacity while perpetrator may or may not be. OP story is not considering church or law protecting the child like HIPAA would otherwise protect a harmed patient (and in some cases perpetrator too)...actual victim is left largely out of the discussion.

But the priest may use the cover of law to report something they otherwise wouldn't, and that cover is provided by this unenforceable law.

This is hard to believe. Priest could do anonymous tips or whatever in either case, and in either case this action risks others not confessing similarly to the priest.
 
This is hard to believe. Priest could do anonymous tips or whatever in either case, and in either case this action risks others not confessing similarly to the priest.

There are people who weigh "the law says..." in their scales, so there may be some cases where it makes a difference and provides that final nudge towards the right thing, but by and large I agree.
 
So regarding this, consider that someone who exercises the priest-penitent privilege does very little to make a crime more difficult to solve or try. The privilege does not destroy evidence or render any first-hand witness unavailable. All it does is make one witness, who probably only has knowledge after the fact, unavailable. That witness’s testimony would be hearsay in many situations even absent the privilege.

It is not an unreasonable assumption to say that some parties may only avail themselves of confession only because they know the confession is privileged. If the privilege did not exist, the penitent may choose to simply not confess. In those situations, the non-existence of the privilege does nothing as the confession would not exist absent the privilege.
Generally speaking laws of this sort aren't intended to be enforced, they are written to provide an escape clause.


Unenforceable laws are bad laws. Bad laws shouldn’t be passed.
 
The final report into the Royal Commission mentioned in the OP was released late last year. In relation to the seal of confession, these are the final recommendation:
Laws concerning mandatory reporting to child protection authorities should not exempt persons in religious ministry from being required to report knowledge or suspicions formed, in whole or in part, on the basis of information disclosed in or in connection with a religious confession.
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The Australian Catholic Bishops Conference should consult with the Holy See, and make public any advice received, in order to clarify whether:
a. information received from a child during the sacrament of reconciliation that they have been sexually abused is covered by the seal of confession
b. if a person confesses during the sacrament of reconciliation to perpetrating child sexual abuse, absolution can and should be withheld until they report themselves to civil authorities.
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Each state and territory government should ensure that the legislation it introduces to create the criminal offence of failure to report recommended in recommendation 33 addresses religious confessions as follows:
a. The criminal offence of failure to report should apply in relation to knowledge gained or suspicions that are or should have been formed, in whole or in part, on the basis of information disclosed in or in connection with a religious confession.
b. The legislation should exclude any existing excuse, protection or privilege in relation to religious confessions to the extent necessary to achieve this objective.
c. Religious confession should be defined to include a confession about the conduct of a person associated with the institution made by a person to a second person who is in religious ministry in that second person’s professional capacity according to the ritual of the church or religious denomination concerned.
Here are some extensive extracts from the final report and criminal justice report on the topic, so you don't have to sift through them. A mix of historical context, balancing competing concerns, and recommendations:
Vol 7:
We acknowledge the view that a civil law duty on people in religious ministry to report information they learn in religious confessions, even of child sexual offending, would constitute an intrusion into the religious practice of confession and that complying with such an obligation would raise serious issues of conscience for Catholic clergy.

In a civil society, it is important that the right of a person to freely practise their religion in accordance with their beliefs is upheld. However, that right is not absolute. This is recognised in Article 18 of the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights regarding freedom of religion, which provides that the freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs may be limited by law, where necessary to protect public safety, order, health or morals, or to ensure the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.

Although it is important that civil society recognise the right of a person to practise a religion in accordance with their own beliefs, that right cannot prevail over the safety of children. The right to practise one’s religious beliefs must accommodate civil society’s obligation to provide for the safety of all individuals. Institutions directed to caring for and providing services for children, including religious institutions, must provide an environment where children are safe from sexual abuse.

Mandatory reporting to child protection authorities aims to ensure that adults who exercise the closest care and supervision of children understand and carry out their obligation to report knowledge or suspicion of risks of harm to children. The consequence of exempting people in religious ministry from reporting information they learn about risks of harm to children in religious confessions is that civil authorities may not receive information that will provide them with the opportunity to prevent and stop the abuse of children.

Consequently, we do not consider that any exemption, excuse, protection or privilege from reporting information learned in religious confession should be granted to people in religious ministry who are mandatory reporters.
Vol 16:
We are satisfied that the practice of the sacrament of reconciliation (confession) contributed to both the occurrence of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church and to inadequate institutional responses to abuse. We heard in case studies and private sessions that disclosures of child sexual abuse by perpetrators or victims during confession were not reported to civil authorities or otherwise acted on. We heard that the sacrament is based in a theology of sin and forgiveness, and that some Catholic Church leaders have viewed child sexual abuse as a sin to be dealt with through private absolution and penance rather than as a crime to be reported to police. The sacrament of reconciliation enabled perpetrators to resolve their sense of guilt without fear of being reported. Also, the sacrament created a situation where children were alone with a priest. In some cases we heard that children experienced sexual abuse perpetrated by Catholic priests in confessionals.

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During our public hearings on the Catholic Church, it emerged that Catholic archbishops and canon lawyers were unclear about whether information received from a child during the sacrament of reconciliation that they had been sexually abused would be covered by the seal of confession, and about whether absolution could and should be withheld if a person confessed to perpetrating child sexual abuse, until they report themselves to civil authorities. We recommend that the ACBC seek clarification on these matters from the Holy See, and make public any advice it receives (Recommendation 16.26).

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Sexual abuse in the confessional became the subject of significant attention by the papacy throughout the early modern period and well into the 20th century. In 1215, the Fourth Lateran Council had mandated that all the faithful were to confess their sins to a priest at least once a year, on pain of excommunication. First confession was made ‘on reaching the age of discernment’, which was generally taken to be puberty. According to early 20th century American historian Henry Charles Lea, solicitation in confession became a ‘perennial source of trouble to the Church’ from this time, and proved to be ‘an evil of which repression was impossible, notwithstanding penalties freely threatened’.

In Spain, according to historian Stephen Haliczer, there was widespread reluctance to confess personal sins to a priest who, as likely as not, was known for his sexual adventures with parishioners. Frequent scandals led the head of the Spanish Inquisition, Archbishop Fernando de Valdés of Seville, to request Pope Paul IV (1555–59) to grant the Spanish Inquisition exclusive jurisdiction over solicitation cases. In 1561, in the bull (decree) Cum sicut nuper, the pope instructed the Spanish Inquisition that guilty priests were to be ‘degraded to the secular state’ and handed over ‘to a secular judge to be punished’. Popes Pius IV (1561), Clement VIII (1592), Gregory XV (1622) and Benedict XIV (1741) all decreed that solicitation in confession must be reported by the penitent to the church authorities.

Dr Doyle provided evidence to the Royal Commission that the records of the Spanish and Mexican inquisitions reveal a ‘shockingly high’ volume of complaints by both women and men, accusing priests of solicitation and sexual abuse in a variety of forms. Doyle, Sipe, and Wall have written that court records relating to clergy charged with solicitation reveal that most victims were women (including young girls), although ‘there is ample evidence to show that homosexual solicitation took place with great regularity’.

A study by Haliczer, of archival records held in Spain’s Archivo Histórico Nacional, found 223 complete sets of case notes for solicitation cases from the tribunals of Toledo, Valencia, Cordoba, Cuenca, Madrid, Mallorca, and the Canary Islands, covering the period 1530 to 1819. Haliczer found that only 26 per cent of those accused of solicitation were members of the secular clergy (most of them parish priests and curates); most were members of religious orders. Of the religious clergy, by far the majority (96 per cent) belonged to mendicant (itinerant) orders, including the Franciscans and Dominicans. Very few were Jesuits (just 0.4 per cent). The majority of victims were young and the vast majority female. The average age at which victims made a deposition to the Inquisition was 27 years, while 6.3 per cent of the victims were under the age of 15. On average, the first incident of solicitation had occurred six years earlier, but some victims did not report their experience of abuse for 30 years. In their literature review regarding child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church, Cahill and Wilkinson have commented that this is a significant figure because at that time children generally made their first confession at around the age of 12 to 14, a practice that was not changed until 1910 when Pope Pius X lowered the age for children to make their first confession to seven years.

Haliczer has noted that the Spanish Inquisition conducted its trials in secrecy, rather than in public ecclesiastical courts, and he quotes from a letter that the Inquisitors of Palermo sent to Inquisitor-General Andrés Pacheco in 1625:

f they were heard in the ordinary courts, such matters, and especially solicitation in the act of confession, would result in a horrible scandal and have a very bad effect, causing a loss of respect for confessors and for the sacrament of penance itself.


From 1576, the Archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Charles Borromeo, a leading figure in the reforms following the Council of Trent, introduced the confessional box into churches in his archdiocese in an effort to prevent sexual contact between penitents and their confessors. Previously, face-to-face confessions were often held in the priest’s house followed by a rite of absolution on the altar. In 1614, confessional boxes were mandated for use in all Catholic churches. Lea wrote that the clergy passively resisted, leading to a campaign throughout the 18th century to enforce their installation and use. But neither the introduction of the confessional box nor two-and-a-half centuries (1561–1820) of investigation and prosecution of solicitation cases in Spain by the Inquisition succeeded in overcoming the problem of clergy solicitation in confession. Dr Doyle has said that the archives of the Spanish Inquisition reveal 3,775 cases of solicitation between 1723 and 1820, or 40 a year. Haliczer has written that there was ‘growing frustration at the highest levels of the Inquisition about its failure to check rising levels of clergy solicitation during the 18th century’, which coincided with an increasing reluctance to accept the constraints of celibacy among many members of the clergy, while in the 19th and 20th centuries ‘the physical seduction of female penitents by their confessors became a perennial theme of anticlerical literature’.

Haliczer has also stated that, despite more rigorous education and training, the demands of celibacy ‘proved too great for many priests and, with ordinary sexual and social outlets having been largely circumscribed, the confessional was left as the only place where they could make contact with women and talk with them personally and intimately’. He concluded that ‘if anything, by focusing on the confessional as a venue of sexual activity, the Inquisition may have eroticised confession’. And by insisting that priests ‘demand an exact and detailed accounting of sins, the Church itself had created the objective conditions for solicitation in the confessional’.

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The Spanish Inquisition was wound up in 1820. From the mid-19th century there was a gradual shift away from dismissing priests who were found guilty of serious sexual misdemeanours, even for soliciting in the confessional, and also a growing reluctance to hand over priests accused of sexual crimes to the civil authorities in some countries. This shift coincided with the rise of the modern nation-state and growing separation of church and state. American historian Thomas Bokenkotter has stated that the ‘Catholic Church’s reaction to modernity was largely defensive and negative ... The result was a divorce of secular culture from the Church and the state of siege mentality that characterized modern Catholicism down to our day’.

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Dr Doyle’s evidence was that:

Reliance on canonical sources for information drops off in the 19th century. There is no reason to assume that sexual abuse suddenly stopped, but there are no known records of canonical investigations or of canonical trials other than some recorded cases from the tribunals of the Inquisition in the first quarter of the 19th century.​

According to Mr Kieran Tapsell, an Australian civil lawyer who has published on canon law, a succession of documents issued by the Holy Office (the forerunner of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) in 1842, 1866 and 1890 in relation to the canonical crime of solicitation in the confessional indicate an increasing reluctance to hand over priests to the civil authorities, and also a reluctance to impose degradation or dismissal on priests guilty of serious crimes:

• In 1842, the Holy Office, under Pope Gregory XVI, issued an instruction absolving penitents ‘who live in the lands of schismatics, heretics, and Mohammedans’ from their canonical obligation to denounce priests who solicited sex in the confessional.
• On 20 February 1866 the Holy Office, under Pope Pius IX, issued a further instruction stating that restraint must be exercised in demoting priests to ‘the secular branch’ in such cases. The instruction imposed absolute secrecy on proceedings relating to allegations of solicitation in confession.
• On 20 July 1890, Pope Leo XIII issued an instruction through the Holy Office imposing detailed procedures for keeping proceedings relating to solicitation secret, including requiring witnesses to swear an oath of secrecy. Procedures outlined in this instruction were designed to keep hidden not just the evidence that might be given but also the fact that the trial was being held at all. The trial was not to be held in the chancery, witnesses were to be called on different days and interviewed alone, and examinations were to take place in sacristies or some other private place. The reason given was that ‘Quite often these cases can no longer be prosecuted without becoming graver, and turning into a source of damnation and scandal to the faithful’.

This increasing reluctance to ‘degrade’ clergy accused of serious sexual crimes or hand them over to the civil authorities culminated in the promulgation of the 1917 Code of Canon Law. The 1917 code abrogated all previous papal and church council decrees that had required priests and religious guilty of serious crimes (including the sexual abuse of children) to be handed over to the civil authorities. According to Mr Tapsell, this increasing reluctance is also evident in the provisions of many of the concordats that the Holy See negotiated with national governments in the 19th and 20th centuries. Among other things, these set out the conditions under which the Holy See agreed that clerics could be tried before secular courts or imprisoned. For example, in the concordats with Colombia in 1887, 1928 and 1973, it was agreed that priests were not to be tried in public or detained in common prisons and that bishops involved in criminal trials were to be tried by the Holy See. The concordats with Latvia (1922), Poland (1925), Italy (1929), Spain (1953), and the Dominican Republic (1954) had similar provisions.

In 1910, Pope Pius X issued the decree Quam singulari , which lowered the age of first confession for Catholic children to age seven. Prior to this, puberty had usually been regarded as an appropriate age. John Cornwell, in his history of the confessional, The dark box, argues that in doing so, the pope was ‘ignoring the wisdom of the faithful, clergy and laity, who had recognised down the centuries that confession should not be foisted upon children too early. Describing the introduction of obligatory confession in early childhood as ‘the greatest moral experiment perpetrated on children in the history of Catholicism’, Cornwell has stated that:

Among the many unintended consequences of that experiment was the inculcation in young children of an oppressive sense of guilt and shame, especially for their bodies, and, for a significant minority, exposure to clerical sexual predators.​

Criminal Justice Report Pt 16:
In relation to exactly what information is covered by the confessional seal, in Case Study 50 witnesses provided divergent evidence. One matter on which there was significant divergence was whether a child penitent’s disclosure that they were being sexually abused by an adult would be subject to the seal or not. On the one hand, we received evidence from Archbishop Fisher that if a child penitent confessed their sexual abuse by an adult to him that, ‘I believe I’m bound by the seal of confession not to repeat it’. On the other hand, Dr O’Loughlin wrote in a précis of evidence to us that, ‘The confessional seal applies only to the confessing person’s own sins. Not to those of anyone else.’ Bishop Curtin told us that, in his view, a child telling a priest of their sexual abuse by an adult would not constitute a confession of the child’s sin and therefore not fall within the confessional seal.

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On the recommendation of the Doctrine Commission of the Anglican Church, in 2014 the General Synod of the Anglican Church of Australia voted to amend its Canon Concerning Confessions 1989 so that the canonical requirement of absolute confidentiality would no longer apply to religious confessions of serious crimes and other acts that have led, or may lead, to serious or irreparable harm. The Doctrine Commission of the Anglican Church has described this Royal Commission as having provided the context for the proposed changes.

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In respect of religious confessions, section 127 of the Uniform Evidence Act grants a specific privilege from the general requirement to give evidence in court proceedings. The privilege applies in the Australian Uniform Evidence Act jurisdictions – the Commonwealth, Victoria, New South Wales, Tasmania, the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory.

Section 127(1) of the Uniform Evidence Act provides:

A person who is or was a member of the clergy of any church or religious denomination is entitled to refuse to divulge that a religious confession was made, or the contents of a religious confession made, to the person when a member of the clergy.​

The privilege under section 127 is absolute.

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Mabey writes that the commonly held view is that there is no privilege for priests or penitents under common law in Australia. Also, in 1993, the Western Australian Law Reform Commission stated that it appeared there was no common law privilege for priests in relation to confidential information disclosed by a penitent, including in religious confession. There is no apparent basis for suggesting that the common law in Australia has developed such a privilege since then.

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Our inquiry has demonstrated the very grave harm caused by child sexual abuse, with the impacts of such abuse often reverberating for decades or even a whole lifetime. As noted above, child sexual abuse is a crime and should be reported to the police. Our inquiry has also demonstrated the significant risk that, if perpetrators are not reported to police, they may continue with their offending. Reporting child sexual abuse to the police can lead to the prevention of further abuse. In relation to the Sacrament of Confession, we heard evidence that perpetrators who confessed to sexually abusing children went on to re-abuse and seek forgiveness again.

In this context, we have concluded that the importance of protecting children from child sexual abuse means that there should be no exemption or privilege from the failure to report offence for clergy who receive information during religious confession that an adult associated with the institution is sexually abusing or has sexually abused a child.

In this respect, we note the reasoning of the Doctrine Commission of the Anglican Church in Australia to its General Synod in recommending the practice of absolute confidentiality be reconsidered for confessions of serious crimes such as child sexual offences and other acts risking serious and irreparable harm. The Doctrine Commission considered that the pastoral priority in all matters of abuse must rest with victims and potential victims of abuse.

We also note that the leadership of the Catholic Church, both in Australia and internationally, has publicly stated that protecting children from harm is an absolute priority. In its submission to Case Study 50, the Truth Justice and Healing Council included a statement of commitment by the leadership of the Catholic Church in Australia. The statement said:

The leaders of the Catholic Church in Australia recognise and acknowledge the devastating harm caused to people by the crime of child sexual abuse. ... The leaders of the Catholic Church in Australia commit ourselves to endeavour to repair the wrongs of the past, to listen to and hear victims, to put their needs first, and to do everything we can to ensure a safer future for children.​

In his evidence to the Royal Commission in Case Study 50, the Bishop of Parramatta, Bishop Vincent Long Van Nguyen, gave evidence that, ‘if the Church is a good global citizen, then it has to show that the safety and protection of the innocent children must be of paramount interest, of absolute priority’.

In a statement on 22 March 2014 announcing the establishment of the Pontifical Council for the Protection of Minors, Pope Francis said that:

The effective protection of minors and a commitment to ensure their human and spiritual development, in keeping with the dignity of the human person, are integral parts of the Gospel message that the Church and all members of the faithful are called to spread throughout the world. Many painful actions have caused a profound examination of conscience for the entire Church, leading us to request forgiveness from the victims and from our society for the harm that has been caused. This response to these actions is the firm beginning for initiatives of many different types, which are intended to repair the damage, to attain justice, and to prevent, by all means possible, the recurrence of similar incidents in the future.​

The commitment to the safety of children is also set out in the Statutes of the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors, Article 1§2 of which says that ‘The protection of minors is of paramount importance’.

As set out in section 16.6.2 above, in our consultations and public hearings, a number of organisations and individuals argued in favour of exempting or privileging communications in religious confessions of child sexual abuse from reporting obligations.

We have carefully considered these arguments and have concluded that they are insufficient to outweigh the risk to children of granting an exemption from the failure to report offence.

Arguments presented to us include that:
• requiring clergy to report information disclosed during confession would be in breach of the principle of freedom of religion
• the religious confessions privilege is similar in nature to legal professional privilege and should operate similarly to protect communications between a priest and a penitent
• there would be little utility in imposing a reporting requirement, as religious confession is infrequently attended and the practice of confession is such that information given about child sexual offences would not be of use to the police
• perpetrators of child sexual abuse are unlikely to attend religious confession anyway; however, in the face of a reporting requirement, perpetrators would cease to attend confession and would be unable to access a source of guidance and contrition
• priests would be unlikely to adhere to a reporting requirement, and there may be subsequent damage to the reputation of the legal system
• a reporting requirement is inconsistent with the privilege contained in the Uniform Evidence Act.

Freedom of religion

Submissions to the Royal Commission argued that any intrusion by the civil law on the practice of religious confession would undermine the principle of freedom of religion.

We heard that the Sacrament of Confession and the confessional seal are matters of very serious importance to the Catholic faith in particular and that disclosure by clergy of the content of a confession would interfere with a person’s inner thoughts and private communication with God.

We acknowledge the submissions and evidence we received that a civil law duty on clergy to report information learned in religious confessions, even of child sexual offending, would constitute an intrusion into the religious practice and that complying with that obligation would raise serious issues of conscience for Catholic clergy. We accept this would be the case for any faith in which clergy are required by that faith’s teachings or particular laws to keep religious confessions confidential.

However, the Royal Commission does not accept that, as a consequence, communications of sexual offences against children made in religious confession should be protected by the civil law.

When considering whether clergy members should be exempt from the failure to report offence, the recognition of the right to freely practise one’s religious beliefs must be balanced against the right of children to be protected from sexual abuse.

In a civil society, it is fundamentally important that the right of a person to freely practise their religion in accordance with their beliefs is upheld. However, that right is not absolute. This is recognised in article 18 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights on the freedom of religion, which provides that the freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs may be subject to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health, or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.

Although it is important that civil society recognise the right of a person to practise a religion in accordance with their own beliefs, that right cannot prevail over the safety of children. The right to practise one’s religious beliefs must accommodate civil society’s obligation to provide for the safety of all. Institutions directed to caring for and providing services for children, including religious institutions, must provide an environment where children are safe from sexual abuse. Reporting information relevant to child sexual abuse to the police is critical to ensuring the safety of children.

The Royal Commission has learned that people who commit sexual offences against children are often repeat offenders. We heard of many instances where, if adults who learned of sexual offences being perpetrated against children in an institution had informed police, further children within the institution may have been protected from sexual abuse.

If clergy are exempt from reporting information they learn in religious confession that an adult associated with their religious institution is committing child sexual offences, civil authorities may not receive information enabling them to intervene and remove an abuser’s opportunity to abuse in an institution that provides them with access to children. We are satisfied that carries a risk to the safety of children.

Religious confessions privilege and legal professional privilege

We heard arguments that the religious confessions privilege is similar in nature to legal professional privilege and should operate similarly to protect communications between a priest and a penitent.

Specifically, we heard that, under legal professional privilege, clients can obtain advice free of fear of prejudicial treatment, whereas in the confessional the penitent seeks forgiveness without fear of social stigma.

We do not agree that the bases for the legal professional privilege and the religious confessions privilege are comparable. There is a fundamental difference.

Legal professional privilege operates within the context of the civil law system to protect communications between legal advisers and their clients from being disclosed without the permission of the client. The purpose of the privilege is to sustain the rule of law, in that the fair operation of the civil legal system requires that all citizens should have access to legal advice.

The confessional seal obliges a clergy member not to reveal what a penitent tells them in religious confession, the primary purpose of which is to obtain forgiveness or absolution for sins confessed. A religious confession privilege protects the practise of those who hold particular religious beliefs from the operation of the civil law.

We acknowledge that one of the elements of religious confession in the Catholic Church is contrition, or sorrow for the sin committed, along with the intention of not sinning again.

However we received evidence, specifically from psychologists who have worked with perpetrator priests, of perpetrators confessing to child sexual abuse, receiving absolution and then proceeding to offend again. We heard that the process of attending confession itself may have enabled their offending to continue. In this manner the confessional may facilitate breaches of the civil law rather than enhance its operation.

Given the fundamentally different purposes of these privileges, we do not accept the argument that the religious confessions privilege should operate in a similar manner to legal professional privilege.

Declining attendance at confession and the practice of confession

We also received evidence that, at least in the Catholic Church, the practice of attending religious confession is declining. The implication is that disclosures about child sexual abuse in religious confession is a marginal issue and that any obligation to report such information will have limited practical effect.

The practice of religious confession is not limited to the Catholic faith. We do not accept that the declining practice of attending confession in the Catholic Church should determine this issue.

We have heard evidence and received submissions that the concepts of repentance and forgiveness as practised in the rite of confession remain central to the Christian tradition and the practice of the Catholic faith.

We have also heard evidence from a psychologist who studied clergy perpetrators in the Catholic Church that the Sacrament of Confession was a key forum that they used to resolve the guilt that arose from their offending, by obtaining forgiveness.

Based on the evidence before us, we consider that, for a perpetrator of faith, religious confession remains a forum in which abuse may be disclosed. The non-reporting of such information presents an unacceptable risk of harm to children. Further, we received a submission from the Truth Justice and Healing Council that confirmed that children continue to participate in the Sacrament of Reconciliation in Catholic archdioceses and dioceses through parishes and schools. We have also received evidence that children have used the confession to disclose their experiences of abuse.

It does not follow that a generally declining attendance at confession in the Catholic Church means that there is no utility in requiring clergy to report information about child sexual abuse received in religious confession. It remains possible that information regarding child sexual abuse could be disclosed during religious confession, and in our view such information should be subject to reporting requirements.

We also considered the argument that information provided in religious confessions might not be useful to police in light of the practice in some faiths of confessors not knowing the identity of the penitent and that a penitent may not provide the details of when or where their offence was committed.

We are satisfied these concerns are addressed in the targeted application of the failure to report offence. Where the elements of the reporting obligation are met, reporting serves the purpose of enabling police to consider the report in the context of all the information they know rather than relying upon a religious confessor’s determination of whether it is useful to them.

Perpetrators’ attendance at religious confession

We also received submissions to the effect that requiring clergy to report information learned during confession would have limited utility, as perpetrators of child sexual abuse are unlikely to attend confession.

Those submissions are not supported by the evidence before us. As addressed above:
• We heard of perpetrators confessing their offending against children and, in some cases, obtaining absolution and abusing again.
• Dr Robinson’s evidence was that of the 60 to 70 Catholic clergy child sex offenders she treated at Encompass Australasia, a significant number told her that they confessed their offending.
• For Catholic clergy perpetrators of abuse in particular, Dr Keenan concluded that her research demonstrated that the confessional was a key forum used to resolve guilt in relation to offending, as its secrecy enabled perpetrators to externalise the issue of their abusing in safety. Dr Keenan concluded that the act of confessing played a role in enabling some of those perpetrators’ abusing to continue.

We were also told that perpetrators would not attend religious confession if there was an obligation on clergy to report information received about child sexual abuse during religious confession, so imposing such an obligation would deny perpetrators a source of guidance and contrition as well as reduce opportunities for perpetrators to be persuaded to report themselves to police.

However, in our work we have learned that perpetrators of child sexual offences are often repeat offenders and that the intervention of civil authorities is required to prevent their offending. We accept and acknowledge that religious confession serves a fundamentally important purpose for those who practise it. However, we do not accept that the guidance or encouragement to self-report that may be offered by confessors during religious confession is sufficient to protect children from the risk of harm presented by child sexual abusers seeking absolution for their actions.

In reaching this conclusion, we have given weight to the evidence before us of psychologists working with clergy perpetrators that the act of attending confession was, for some of them, part of a pattern of continued offending, because after confessing they would feel a degree of absolution. One of those psychologists, Dr Robinson, told us that in her experience she saw that pattern in older rather than younger clergy. However, it is possible that a clergy perpetrator of any age may attend confession, seek absolution and subsequently reoffend.

Our conclusion is also informed by the evidence of a clergy member that he would be constrained from taking action if a penitent perpetrator did not report themselves to authorities after he made absolution dependent upon self-reporting. That witness conceded that this would likely mean the abuse of a child would continue.

The risk to children of perpetrators of child sexual abuse going unchecked, or religious confession enabling a pattern of ongoing offending, is not displaced by the uncertain gain of perpetrators receiving guidance or possibly being persuaded to report to the authorities in religious confession.

It is important to note that our recommendation is not limited to communications about abuse made by perpetrators in confession. Clergy should also report information they learn in religious confession from children being sexually abused or from third parties, where the elements of the failure to report offence are enlivened.

Priests’ adherence to the confessional seal

A number of individuals and organisations told us that Catholic priests would not break the confessional seal even in the face of a reporting obligation. Several individual priests told us that they would not break the confessional seal even in circumstances where they held information that indicated that abuse might be ongoing. The protection of children from sexual abuse requires that communications made during religious confession are not exempt from the obligation to report to police. The suggestion that a group of people who would be subject to a reporting obligation may not comply with that obligation is not sufficient reason to exempt them from that obligation.

We are not persuaded by the argument that the potential prosecution and conviction of a Catholic priest for failing to report to the police information relating to child sexual abuse received in religious confession would undermine respect for the court system. We do not believe that the reputation of the courts would diminish by their enforcing such a law regardless of the occupation of the defendant.

The Truth Justice and Healing Council submitted that it would be futile for the Royal Commission to interfere with the seal of confession, as the Catholic Church in Australia has no power to change the seal of its own volition. We note that our recommendation that no exemption be made for religious confessions from the failure to report child sexual abuse offence is made to state and territory governments rather than the Catholic Church.

We acknowledge that if this recommendation is implemented then clergy hearing confession may have to decide between complying with the civil law obligation to report and complying with a duty in their role as a confessor. It is a matter for each faith within which a confessional seal operates to consider whether that practice could or should be changed. As noted above in section 16.4.2, the Anglican Church in Australia has already taken some steps to alter the operation of the confessional seal in the context of the Royal Commission’s work regarding the sexual abuse of children.

The evidentiary privilege

As set out above, some categories of communications are exempt, or privileged, from disclosure by compulsion in courts of law. These are evidentiary privileges created both under legislation and by the common law.

In some Australian jurisdictions, a religious confessions privilege or exemption has been created by legislation and operates so that clergy can refuse to disclose to a court in evidence the fact or content of a religious confession. This privilege applies in the Australian Uniform Evidence Act jurisdictions – the Commonwealth, Victoria, New South Wales, Tasmania, the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory.

Previous inquiries, including the Cummins Inquiry and the inquiry of the Victorian Parliament Family and Community Development Committee which led to the Betrayal of Trust report, have concluded that the evidentiary privilege is appropriate. In particular, the Cummins Inquiry concluded that communications about the content of a religious confession should be exempt from failure to report offences, as the treatment of such information should be consistent.

We are not persuaded that it is necessary to provide an exemption from a failure to report offence because of the existence of an evidentiary privilege. We note that reporting obligations in respect of child sexual offences seek to prevent future harm to children, whereas evidentiary privileges prescribe how matters are to be dealt with in court proceedings.

While we believe that there should be no exemption for religious confessions from the operation of the failure to report offence, we make no recommendation beyond this in relation to the religious confessions privilege in Uniform Evidence Act jurisdictions more generally. To do so would go beyond our Terms of Reference. Some state or territory governments could, if minded, remove that privilege so that the fact and content of religious confessions is compellable as evidence in proceedings against, for example, perpetrators of child sexual abuse.
 
We are satisfied that the practice of the sacrament of reconciliation (confession) contributed to both the occurrence of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church and to inadequate institutional responses to abuse.

That one seems like a pretty big finding.

That's also some fascinating longer term history laid out. Cheers!
 
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So Cardinal George Pell, 3rd most senior man in the Vatican, the one actually responsible for the "Melbourne response" to abuse which was supposed to investigate claims and compensate victims but has been accused of trying to gag them... has himself been found guilty of five counts of child sexual abuse.

I dunno how much this was reported overseas when he was actually found guilty in December, but the gag order was lifted in Australia today (the gag order, requested by the prosecution, is why my link in May last year disappeared).

I assume this will have Ramifications in the Vatican, as the most senior person ever to be revealed to be a sexual predator.
 
Christ, are there any ranking Catholics priests who aren't child rapists or knowingly covering for child rapists?

Edit: In somewhat related news, as I was reading the article Pet Shop Boys It's a Sin came up in my playlist.....
 
So Cardinal George Pell, 3rd most senior man in the Vatican, the one actually responsible for the "Melbourne response" to abuse which was supposed to investigate claims and compensate victims but has been accused of trying to gag them... has himself been found guilty of five counts of child sexual abuse.

I dunno how much this was reported overseas when he was actually found guilty in December, but the gag order was lifted in Australia today (the gag order, requested by the prosecution, is why my link in May last year disappeared).

I assume this will have Ramifications in the Vatican, as the most senior person ever to be revealed to be a sexual predator.

I heard about it on my morning news headlines in America, so it's definitely world news.
 
I heard about it on my morning news headlines in America, so it's definitely world news.
Yeah. This was considered important enough that even Radio Hamburg 'reported' it yesterday morning, in their half-hourly 2-minute 'news' bulletins — which generally follow the priority
(1) Hamburg (2-3 headlines)
(2) Germany (1-2 headlines)
(2.5) World (if total headlines so far < 4)
(3) Sports (i.e. football!)
 
Christ, are there any ranking Catholics priests who aren't child rapists or knowingly covering for child rapists?

No. Any that didn't do it did know about it. This is all a huge case of institutional 'cover your ass'. They figured the Church, and by extension them, would be better off if they kept it swept under the rug. And used as a self-justification the idea that since the most important thing in the world is to save souls, and the Church was the only truly valid method of doing so, that protecting the Church matter above all other things, because the mission of the Church mattered above all things.

Which works, as a way of convincing yourself that you are the hero of your own narrative. But stops working once the secret comes to light, and the scandal you've kept buried, probably institutionally for centuries, becomes the biggest threat to people leaving the Church, and therefor not being saved.
 
No. Any that didn't do it did know about it. This is all a huge case of institutional 'cover your ass'. They figured the Church, and by extension them, would be better off if they kept it swept under the rug. And used as a self-justification the idea that since the most important thing in the world is to save souls, and the Church was the only truly valid method of doing so, that protecting the Church matter above all other things, because the mission of the Church mattered above all things.

Which works, as a way of convincing yourself that you are the hero of your own narrative. But stops working once the secret comes to light, and the scandal you've kept buried, probably institutionally for centuries, becomes the biggest threat to people leaving the Church, and therefor not being saved.

I can't imagine the "seal of confession" applies to all of this knowledge. There is likely a good amount of old-fashioned criminal cover-up going on there.

Not that I particularly care about religion, but I still don't like the precedent regarding confessionals for the same reason I mentioned last year: it creates incentive for the criminals in question to avoid saying anything at all. I'm not convinced by this "guilt was absolved thing", as I suspect most offenders continue the sexual abuse at some point. If that premise holds then seal of confession vs not would be neutral, not something actually contributing to the systemic problem.

The priests/higher ups being criminal offenders themselves is a bit tangential to the legal question at hand but also the bigger problem.
 
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