Clown Car V: 2020 version!

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Imagine using these kind of standards on regular FBI cases in which agents routinely use their judgement to make such decisions. lol
It's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the FBI.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/thoughts-horowitz-report-part-ii-what-inspector-general-did-not-find
https://www.lawfareblog.com/thoughts-horowitz-report-part-iii-fisa-findings
https://www.lawfareblog.com/further-thoughts-crossfire-hurricane-report

As the author of the last piece notes:
The Crossfire Hurricane report is a major event. It has potentially significant implications for FISA. Congress (and the rest of the country) is busy right now, with impeachment and other matters, but a time may come when there is bandwidth to consider those implications. (This may be when certain existing FISA authorities are due to sunset, now set for the spring of 2020.) This blog post is a small beginning toward preparing for that day. We have had such moments before and managed to get through them.

Ideally, if and when FISA reform is seriously considered, Congress will be able to approach the issue with some long-term perspective. If not, and if an unusual partisan alignment produces an extreme result, I worry that in the not-too-distant future we may find ourselves on the other end of the familiar national-security pendulum swing, reviewing a new inspector general or other report—this time criticizing the Justice Department, the FBI and/or the intelligence community for the proliferation of red tape or other restrictions, and the failure to stop an attack or other grave, hostile acts committed against our national security.
Despite all the cries of 'deep state' and talk one step removed from 'crush the saboteurs!', I haven't heard any serious proposals on FISA reform put forward by the Trump Administration short of having someone look into it.
 
The pitfalls of trying to buy supporters. This is just too funny not to mention :lol:

One, a recent college graduate living in Sacramento, describes himself as an ardent supporter of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, the current front-runner for the Democratic nomination. But he hasn’t had a steady stream of income since October, and the Bloomberg gig seemed like easy money, he said.
The ambivalence shows up in his outreach efforts.
“Sam Donaldson just nailed it: Mike Bloomberg is the president we need to unite our country!” he texted one of his friends Monday through Outvote — the app organizers use to reach out to their personal networks. He drew on language provided to him by the campaign and logged the text as part of his Bloomberg organizer responsibilities.
But he quickly followed up with a personal addendum: “Please disregard, vote Bernie or Warren.”
 
If this is the best the 'Deep State' can do, then I'm not sure what you are afraid of. A low ranking FBI investigator fudged an email to make a case and look good in performance reports and then some other low ranked investigators engaged in some CYA.

You said the IG found no evidence of a plot, I cited evidence and now you're moving the goal posts - it aint enough, you need more. Okay, I'll quote Tristan's post:

We identified at least 17 significant errors or omissions in the Carter Page FISA applications, and many additional errors in the Woods Procedures. These errors and omissions resulted from case agents providing wrong or incomplete information to OI and failing to flag important issues for discussion.

Thats at least 17...and many more procedural errors... How many mistakes were made having the effect of exonerating Page? How many mistakes cast doubt on Steele's accusations? If someone repeatedly lies about you, at what point do you consider malfeasance as a motive?

Wait a second, didn't you claim Steele's dossier wasn't even used in the Fisa application? Or did you say it was inconsequential? What you did say was wrong.

Did the IG report back you up on that? Nope. I dont remember the IG's exact wording, but the dossier was essential to obtaining the warrant and Comey, the Dems and their media and deep state lied to us ad nauseam about it. Isn't that why you thought the Steele dossier was either not used or made just a minor contribution?

He fudged an email to look good? To whom did that make him look good? Hopefully he faces serious time and we might find out who looked favorably on 'fudging' an email to make Page appear as a traitor.
 
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So, in other words, the Inspector General agrees with me in that he found no evidence of intentional misconduct.
Again x3, the report found complete evidence for it, but they were not obliged to draw a conclusion because no one came forward and confessed. Nevertheless I understand the strong incentive we have here to cast aside our normal cynicism, as well as 350 pages of the IG report, and declare the agents' motives to be pure, because this is the #Resistance we're talking about and getting Trump trumps all. The ends justify the means.

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Despite all the cries of 'deep state' and talk one step removed from 'crush the saboteurs!', I haven't heard any serious proposals on FISA reform put forward by the Trump Administration short of having someone look into it.
Good god. I can only imagine what your media would make of Trump getting mired in that. Firing Comey triggered the Mueller investigation and russiarussiarussia. This would probably cause a new island chain to emerge in the pacific.
 
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https://www.esquire.com/news-politi...lli-coronavirus-task-force-johns-hopkins-map/

Acting Deputy Homeland Security Secretary Ken Cuccinelli, who is the top member of President Trump's coronavirus task force, was having trouble accessing an online map produced by Johns Hopkins University of the virus' spread. So, he took to Twitter to ask if anyone else was having trouble with the website. He quickly realized the map was behind a paywall, much to his chagrin. But while Cuccinelli expressed dismay over the university's decision to restrict access during a time of global concern, others pointed out that it was actually little more worrisome that the U.S. government's task force leader was struggling with such a simple issue in the first place.


Just want you all aware homeland security is being ran by this clown, in case you had forgotten. You just can't fix this level of stupid in 2020.
 
https://www.esquire.com/news-politi...lli-coronavirus-task-force-johns-hopkins-map/

Acting Deputy Homeland Security Secretary Ken Cuccinelli, who is the top member of President Trump's coronavirus task force, was having trouble accessing an online map produced by Johns Hopkins University of the virus' spread. So, he took to Twitter to ask if anyone else was having trouble with the website. He quickly realized the map was behind a paywall, much to his chagrin. But while Cuccinelli expressed dismay over the university's decision to restrict access during a time of global concern, others pointed out that it was actually little more worrisome that the U.S. government's task force leader was struggling with such a simple issue in the first place.


Just want you all aware homeland security is being ran by this clown, in case you had forgotten. You just can't fix this level of stupid in 2020.
At least he's doing us the courtesy of being dumb in public!
 
So you have a homeland security department that does not have access to maps of said homeland? If George Orwell had written this it would have only been as a script for Monty Python.
 
Thats at least 17...and many more procedural errors... How many mistakes were made having the effect of exonerating Page? How many mistakes cast doubt on Steele's accusations? If someone repeatedly lies about you, at what point do you consider malfeasance as a motive?

In 1,095 days, President Trump has
made 16,241 false or misleading claims


Well, Turd has set the standard for what is now acceptable. Sixteen thousand lies apparently is insufficient for the DOJ to consider taking action. Why should anyone care about 17?
 
Was Hillary Clinton a victim ?

No, she was the pos rigging the primaries against Bernie and sending lies to the FBI to spy on her opponents

In 1,095 days, President Trump has
made 16,241 false or misleading claims


Well, Turd has set the standard for what is now acceptable. Sixteen thousand lies apparently is insufficient for the DOJ to consider taking action. Why should anyone care about 17?

So says the people who lied to us about Russiagate for 3 years. And you think Trump set the standard as if politicians were honest before he got into office? I care that the FBI took the Democrat's lies to a Fisa court to spy on people... I care.

and I guess you dont :(
 
No, she was the pos rigging the primaries against Bernie and sending lies to the FBI to spy on her opponents

Then Carter Page was a traitor to the US and a useful idiot for Putin.

“Washington and other Western powers have impeded potential progress through their often hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization, inequality, corruption and regime change,” Page said during a speech in Moscow in front of prominent Russian government officials.
According to the Washington Post, Page has praised Putin as a better leader than former President Barack Obama.
Over the years, Page’s dealings in Russia caught the attention of US government officials, who suspected that he may be working as an agent of Moscow. Intelligence officials knew of him as far back as 2013, well before he joined the Trump campaign.


https://www.businessinsider.com.au/carter-page-nunes-memo-2018-2?r=US&IR=T
 
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Then Carter Page was a traitor to the US and a useful idiot for Putin.

What did he have to do with her rigging the primaries and sending lies to the FBI to spy on political opponents, other than being one of the people spied upon? Your post doesn't mention the fact he was a CIA asset working in Russia on behalf of the USA and you're calling him a traitor.
 
What did he have to do with her rigging the primaries and sending lies to the FBI to spy on political opponents, other than being one of the people spied upon? Your post doesn't mention the fact he was a CIA asset working in Russia on behalf of the USA and you're calling him a traitor.

FFS
Carter told RUSSIANs that he had been recruited by the CIA as an asset when he was told to keep hes mouth shut.
Its either a Russian asset or an idiot.
 
What a [censored] moron.
Nearly 2000 point drop over two days

Trump said the stock market is 'starting to look very good' after the Dow plunged over 1,000 points
https://markets.businessinsider.com...y-good-plunging-1000-points-2020-2-1028933348
The Dow finished Tuesday down nearly 880 points to mark its sharpest-ever two-session slide in point terms, losing about 1,910 points, according to Dow Jones Market Data.

Trump Tells Americans Not To Worry About Coronavirus As CDC Says U.S. Outbreak A Certainty
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/donald-trump-coronavirus-fine
 
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Good Job firing all those Obama deep state agents from the CDC and not replacing them with anyone. /s

 
This is how the slow motion coup works. You quietly fire everyone you can that is not loyal personally to Trump, then you set up parallel institutions within the government to work outside the law. Don't forget to work to intimidate voters in key states. Trump surrogates in SoCal* have been sending out fliers with purposefully wrong information on voting dates and stuff like that. And now that the GOP is out from under a consent decree which stopped them from directly intimidating black voters at polling centers, I'm sure voter suppression is a key leg in their strategy.

*My local Congresscritter has been on NPR warning her voters about the GOP misinformation campaign now underway to help them retake Orange County.
 
BBC said:
Mexico worried by US ruling over boy's border killing

The Mexican government says it regrets a ruling by the US Supreme Court that bars the family of a Mexican boy who was killed in 2010 from suing the US border patrol agent who shot him.

The boy, Sergio Hernández, was shot dead on Mexican soil by US border patrol agent Jesús Mesa, who was on the US side of the border.

The court ruled that the parents could not use US courts to sue Mr Mesa.

The Mexican government says it is concerned it could set a precedent.

What happened in 2010?
The incident happened on the border between El Paso, Texas, and Juárez, Mexico. Agent Mesa was on a bicycle patrol on the US side of the border and was reportedly alerted to the presence of people smugglers.

Sergio Hernández, 15, was with a group of youths in the dry bed of the Rio Grande when Agent Mesa approached.

The international border runs through the middle of the concrete culvert built to contain the river but is unmarked.

Read more about the US-Mexico border:
His family said Sergio was playing with his friends, who were daring each other to run up the incline and touch the fence on the US side.

Agent Mesa detained one of the boys for illegally crossing the border, but Sergio Hernández and another boy ran and hid behind a pillar on the Mexican side.

He was shot twice by Agent Mesa as the boy peaked out from behind the pillar. An investigation by US authorities ruled that the agent had acted in self defence but found no evidence that Sergio Hernández had thrown any stones.

What was the court case about?
The Mexican authorities charged Agent Mesa with murder but the US authorities refused to extradite him so Sergio Hernández's family tried to sue Agent Mesa in the US for violating the US constitution by using excessive force.

Lower courts dismissed the case and it went to the US Supreme Court. In a five to four decision divided along conservative-liberal lines, the Supreme Court decided to uphold the lower court's decision.

The conservative justices argued that "a cross-border shooting is by definition an international incident" and called for a diplomatic, not a legal solution, arguing that allowing the case would have had "foreign relations and national security implications".

Dissenting Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg said that "Mesa's allegedly unwarranted deployment of deadly force occurred on United States soil" and that it did not make sense to dismiss the action because the bullet had landed on Mexican soil.

What has the reaction been?
Mexico said it was worried the ruling would set a precedent for other incidents in which its nationals had been killed. The government expressed "deep concerns about the effects this decision will have on other similar cases, in which Mexican citizens have died from gunshots fired by US agents towards the Mexican side".

A lawyer for the family of Sergio Hernández warned the ruling would "promote a Wild West attitude on our border".

"To be left with no remedy... given such a violent and unprovoked shooting, weakens the constitutional foundation of America's house," Robert Hilliard said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51643636
 
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