Berzerker
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wasn't the racial panic over 'racist' cops and the ensuing summer of riots by Democrats a factor?
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wasn't the racial panic over 'racist' cops and the ensuing summer of riots by Democrats a factor?
amadeus
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Do you spot a flaw in this reasoning? I do. What I read is that it’s better to get the coronavirus, in order to not get the coronavirus. Only one condition, not both, may be true.
I’m going to trust that my doctor knows how a needle works.
So if you agree that natural immunity doesn't last forever, how does natural immunity prevent the need for vaccinations, however much later down the line? We're in October 2021. Remind me how long ago the first cases started?
Is this something you've even bothered to look into? I doubt it. I doubt it because you're arguing backwards from a position of basically ideology - "muh freedoms". You're not arguing forwards. You're not taking what we know and don't know and applying it to the future of this pandemic. You're only using the science when it suits you, and you can't even get that right.
That wasn't my point and you know it. This is the COVID thread. COVID in just a few months kills more than all people murdered, because they followed your policy ideas.
State security forces abdicate responsibility to protect citizens to engage in brutal crackdown of protests isn't the winning argument you think it is. That is what media headlines would be if it were a foreign country.
But also, the data has different areas have spikes happen at different times, some well before big protests, some during the general period, some after.
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amadeus
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I wanted the cops bustin’ heads in both Minneapolis and Washington D.C.
Law and order!
Law and order!
It's all academic. But it's very important when it comes to the practical aspects of the virus. Whether or not we require boosters will depend on the same thing plus the latent level of any faded resident immunity.
Ignoring naturally acquired immunity when it comes to mandates is a landmine, because if you're wrong on the science, it creates a lot of resentment.
Berzerker
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The protection created by covid is better than the vaccines, I'd rather have that protection if I got covid in the future. I'm assuming I will get it, when I do its better if my immune system fought it already. People were reporting heart inflammation, a UK researcher said these were likely cases of injecting the vaccine into the blood stream so I guess some people didn't know. Hopefully that will cut down on the problem and related hesitancy.
I dont know how long covid induced immunity lasts, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a life time or longer. Maybe people who got covid before having kids will pass along some protection to them. Most people who got covid survived without serious issue, they got that immunity from their ancestors. Now what did I get wrong about the science?
Getting protection from COVID ... by getting COVID.
Your logic is astounding.
But it's that exact logic which is why there should not be a loophole because anti-vaxxers would host covid parties, and even more, of them would die. That incentive should not be there.
The longer it percolates, the more varients will spring up. Delta already upped the damage.
Berzerker
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Berzerker
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Getting protection from covid comes from either getting it or getting the vaccine. Which is better?
It's less academic if you've had it. People are throwing around the theoretical of not having to vaccinate people based on a prior Covid infection for political reasons. The argument isn't coming from a position of science. It's (pseudo)science and / or wishful thinking to aid an ideological argument.
Not to mention - having it? Not the breeze people seem to assume it would be. Nevermind the fact Delta's knocking about now.
Nobody is ignoring naturally-acquired immunity in this context. If people are wrong on the science in this regard, I'd expect folks like you to lead with some kind of evidence for that. Resentment builds anyway because, like everything on this blasted earth, it's been boiled down to two positions and made a partisan thing (over here, too).
Imagine the logistics of testing for naturally-acquired immunity. Imagine how much that would slow down any rollout. We're at this point because people are resisting the vaccine and that isn't helping, scientifically. You know why we're here. So I apologise if I'm a little tired of the "but we need to think of the people exploiting theoretical natural immunity because they might feel resentful". Buddy, they already do. There are some things you can't fix, especially from folks more than willing to buy into anti-science nonsense.
But there's another problem with the "resentment" angle. It presupposes that that's the only resentment that matters, and not that of any other demographic. Which, ironically considering the overlap of vaccine resistance / "muh freedoms" and conservative ideology. The outrage machine is acceptable when it works in their favour, right?
Right, so stop making up nonsense that suggests that you do. Anything you do make up isn't supported by what we currently know, and you're not exactly Cassandra.
You've already been corrected on this, and true to form you've already purged it from your memory.
And don't ask "where".
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On what moral basis? If you want to do all you can to protect your patients you want your staff as protected as possible. The fact that it may be better to get the disease rather than the vaccine only matters if you can get people to get the disease. You cannot, so the options are get the vaccine or not. The patients will be safer if the staff get the vaccine, whether or not they have had the disease, so to maximise patient safety you want your staff vaccinated. Perfectly logical, and with science. Unless you think firing people is inherently immoral then how can this be?
Acquired immunity passed to kids is purely the immunoglobulins, mostly via colostrum but some over the placenta. It is very important, but will not last more than a few months. Of course our immune systems are coded by our genes, and we got our genes from our ancestors, but that is not the same as getting active immunity from them.
Pretty much everything.
amadeus
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Also pretty sure we give out vaccines for older diseases too when children reach school-age. If the immunity passed from my parents to me, I want to know why they were sticking me with that needle in the school library.
Zardnaar
Deity
Looks like the government has given up on elimination. Here comes delta.
Defenses of the type Maginot Line can be enough for ambushes, but like castle and city walls, the main purpose was to buy a considerable amount of time in case of really heavy sieges or full war.
The pre-Persian cities (Hittites ?) in the dry areas (but having water supply from underground aquaducts to wells) a nice example where the attacking army would die of thirst before the town's people.
So... I think NZ did a great job with buying all the time needed to get their people vaccinated before it really spreads.
And also in case other countries would have been fast enough to confine the outbreak to China, NZ has done its contribution.
Zardnaar
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Matter if time. None locally but yeah it's gonna leak out.
To many morning nw and iditots and lockdown fatigue. I did two Aucklands had 4.
amadeus
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You did a good job as the last holdout in the civilized world. Y'all seem to have a nice country down there, except for that rugby thing which I don't understand.
FriendlyFire
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I encourage ALL REPUBLICANS to urinate on the electric fence.
Rather then speak with medical professional as to why Vaccines are better.
Yeah, I usually don't crank symptoms until after New Zealand has the infection. But we all know it's Madagascar that's the lynchpin
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