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Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall - Dawn of Civilization' started by Leoreth, Apr 19, 2010.

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  1. J. pride

    J. pride King

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    Ok the Turks flipping cities in Armenia and Crimea is rather unhistorical and unrealistic. This should probably be stopped. As far as Anitochia is concerned,id rather not have it in the first place.

    So in my opinion, a barbarian invasion and a reduced Turkish spawn area to include Iconium and Trabizond will solve the problem. ;)

    Also as far as the Byzantine are concerned, it shouldnt matter if their Anatolian cities are taken becuz it is historical and accurate
     
  2. Gatsby

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    Yeah, I think that sounds reasonable enough :). Fyi, here is an article with a neat map of the historical expansion of the Ottoman Empire.
     
  3. Leoreth

    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    That's all good in theory, but probably won't work out in the majority of games without heavy scripting, and for what exactly? Historical accuracy? Flips are broad for all civs and often flip more than they actually had in their spawning date (Rome flips Mediolanum in 750 BC for example). Personally I'm okay with that. It works out in the long run, and that is what counts.

    They flip the Levant to make confrontation with Arabia more likely, and they flip the Black Sea coast to make confrontation with Russia more likely, both situations that are desireable considering Turkish history as a whole that likely won't occur on their own. Especially that Turkey flips Chersonesos is the best reason to let the Byzantines continue founding it.
     
  4. Gatsby

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    Fair enough, I see your point.

    Could this also be done by having the Turks start automatically at war with the Arabs and the Russians, like they do with the Byzantines? You could still have a stack of Turkish military units spawn on the north-eastern shore of the black sea as well, but without them flipping cities on the western shore of the black sea.
     
  5. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    That runs the risk of having Turkish units march all the way to Moscow, considering Russia's usually technologically ********.

    I've had the Seljuk Barbs idea in the back of my mind for a while. I'll see how that works out in terms of balance in Synthesis.
     
  6. Sikandar

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    I just had a strange game as Ethiopia on the middle difficulty.

    China, Egypt, India, Japan, and Persia are massive when I spawn. Babylon had already collapsed. Egypt declares war on Phoenicia and causes them to collapse. Greece collapses a couple of turns later for reasons I'm not sure of and then a few turns later the Celts cause Rome to collapse after taking Rome. Byzantium spawns but is quickly devoured by Persia and collapses. Egypt then collapses for unknown reasons. When the Arabs spawn they don't expand and just seem content to chill in Arabia.

    That's when I lost interest in the game and quit. Strange game.
     
  7. Gatsby

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    Maybe, it might depend on whether or not the Russians have settled near the black sea. I just don't like the idea of the Turks flipping cities on the western and northern shores of the Black Sea straight away - they should at least have to fight for these cities.

    Your Synthesis mod looks very interesting. I'll definitely be keen to try it when it's ready for play.
     
  8. Linkman226

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    Kind of difficult to chill anything in Arabia :lol::lol:
     
  9. Leoreth

    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    They do even start on total war with the Arabs in most of the games. The problem is that we also have to direct the conquests into the "right" direction: Egypt and Hejaz, not Persia. For Russia it's more that they share a common border that makes conflicts morelikely compared to the whole Black Sea between them.
     
  10. dcode147

    dcode147 Warlord

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    With the inclusion of a Safavid civ, they would stand as a barrier to Turkish expansion. That in conjunction with what you've done with the war map might be able to help?
     
  11. BenZL43

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    Why Taj Mahal become Hinduism Wonder ?
    Weren't Taj Mahal was built during Mughal rule in India, which was a Muslim Empire ?
    CMIIW :)
     
  12. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    Probably to make sure it is built in India
     
  13. Satansick

    Satansick Chieftain

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    Because then the Taj Mahal would be build in Arabia rather than India
     
  14. BenZL43

    BenZL43 awkward cat

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    I see...
    Btw, is the current version is stable enough ?
    I can't wait to try it ! hehe
     
  15. Linkman226

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    Can't you make it so you need two religions, i.e., Islam and Hinduism?

    Because when I visited Agra (where the Taj Mahal is), I learned that the builders were generally Hindu but the architects and the ruler (Shah Jahan) were Muslim.

    If you can't make it require two religions, I'm sure you can make it require one religion and a building of the other religion.
     
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    A Persian civ would definitely help filling a vacuum in the middle east, yes. And when it's there, Turkey's war maps would be a lot more sense either.

    You've been to Agra? *jealous*

    I think its possible to let the wonder require religion A in the city and religion B as state religion. It's just that these kind of things makes it even more unlikely to see the wonder built (it's rare already). And if a non-muslim nation controls India and orders the construction of the Taj Mahal by local architects, I don't see a problem with it from an alt-hist point of view.
     
  17. Sikandar

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    Increasing Mongol settlement westward through the Iranian Plateau would help to prevent Turkish settlement eastward.

    A Mongol Iran is much more historically accurate than an Ottoman Iran.
     
  18. Gruekiller

    Gruekiller Back From The Beyond

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    Come to think of it, it may be good idea to give the Mongols a bigger settler/war map. In my RFC games they usually seem to languish away into obscurity in Central Asia rather than being the continent-bestriding badasses that they historically were. :p
     
  19. J. pride

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    I tested out the arabs and it turns out that arabs still dont conqer Central asia and kandahar (pehaps the 2 camel archers in mecca should be in Iran). And the Byzantines seem to reconquer Jerusalem alot
     
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    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    I've already got some ideas for Mongols up in my sleeve to make them resemble their historical counterpart more, both in player and AI role. Currently I just don't want to open up another front. But more western Mongolian presence is definitely desired. :)

    With 1.7 concentrating on the middle east, I think 1.8 will then focus on the Far East. Many things I'm planning fit with this theme:
    - playable Korea faction
    - India map revamp
    - India UHV revamp
    - more Hinduist and Buddhist wonders
    - more historical Mongolia

    Sorry, overlooked your post in my previous response. 1.7 still crashes sometimes when the Romans are around. The 600 AD is playable without troubles though.
     
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