Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

[iOnlySignIn]

These changes to Canada are very reasonable and very necessary. Bravo!

The 1 extra Oil will not unbalance the American UHV, because currently the American UHV is unobtainable if you do not invade the Middle East, but easily obtained if you do.

However, if we are to be completely realistic, there should be at least 1 extra Oil in Venezuela as well. Then it might be possible for America to win UHV by invading Brunei instead of Iraq.

 

[AOS9001]

Could you also add in a Vancouver island tile where Victoria could be settled? Aside from my bias, it was also quite important in the early days of BC settlement.

I think that's represented by the tile with marble on it. Though that might also be the Olympic Peninsula... I can't tell, Western North America is really warped in certain places.

 

[srpt]

considering the centrality of the American-Saudi relationship to the post-war energy/security racket I think they should have to invade the Arabian Peninsula.

 

[strijder20]

The 1 extra Oil will not unbalance the American UHV, because currently the American UHV is unobtainable if you do not invade the Middle East, but easily obtained if you do.

Hmmm...

Four oil in NA+ Carribean + your oil + two oil in SA + oil near Mali + 2 Mahreb oil = 10.

 

[civ_king]

considering the centrality of the American-Saudi relationship to the post-war energy/security racket I think they should have to invade the Arabian Peninsula.

The US should be able to secure those by trade

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Hmmm...

Four oil in NA+ Carribean + your oil + two oil in SA + oil near Mali + 2 Mahreb oil = 10.

Just to clarify, by "your oil", do you mean my hypothetical extra Oil in Venezuela? Regardless of that though:

Oil in Mali is in the middle of vast Jungle (means Biology + long Worker time) and usually covered by Mail/Dutch culture (two civs whose trade will benefit you much more than 1 Oil) . IMO about as hard to get than Brunei Oil, if not harder.

2 Maghreb Oils are no easier to get than Gulf Oils IMO. In fact possibly harder, because:

(1) You might need to declare on Spain just to get into the Mediterranean, whereas Gulf Oils just requires you to declare on whoever's holding the Oils.

(2) Reinforcing the Maghreb Oil stations is also harder, again because you need to go through the straight of Gibraltar, which Spain can delay you from simply by parking ships (even Galleys would work) on every tile. And Spain's Navy is always well-promoted due to their UP (they always go for Strength).

(3) The Maghreb Oils require 2 cities just for 2 Oils, whereas in the Gulf you get 4~7 Oils for the same price of 2 cities.

I never get the Maghreb Oils for these reasons. Anybody find them actually worthwhile?

 

[strijder20]

Just to clarify, by "your oil", do you mean my hypothetical extra Oil in Venezuela? Regardless of that though:

Yes.

Oil in Mali is in the middle of vast Jungle (means Biology + long Worker time) and usually covered by Mail/Dutch culture (two civs whose trade will benefit you much more than 1 Oil) . IMO about as hard to get than Brunei Oil, if not harder.

Well, you've got time until 2000, so Bio isn't a problem. I've never seen it covered in Mali or even Dutch culture by 1900, by the way. Maybe that's an unlucky streak of the RNG you've got, or the other way round.

Agreed, Brunei oil is semi-impossible - but possible. I've seen the Dutch get the TC conquerors, take the Brunei city, lose Amsterdam and collapse, leaving a nice independent city for me to conquer.

I never get the Maghreb Oils for these reasons. Anybody find them actually worthwhile?

Well, the Maghreb oils have the nice little boon that they end up independent more often than the Middle East oils.

It's all situation dependent, of course, if a recently respawned Arabia is having the oil in the ME, then go for it, but if there are independents in N-Africa and Spain is willing to OB (mutual war with France/England perhaps) then those oils are often up for grabs too.

 

[Tigranes]

Why do we have Orthodoxy before the Great Schism (1054) ? Can't we just have "Orthodoxy was founded in Constantinople" event around 1050 with a forced Byzantine conversion?

Also would you consider to provide to compensate every gold earn by Catholic Shrine (tithes to Rome) and Muslim Shrine (Hajj Expenses) by subtracting one gold from the cities with Catholicism and Islam? One of the reason German and Scandinavian Princes went Protestant was the desire for a "cheaper" Church...

 

[BenZL43]

Random question.
Have you guys ever seen AI Aztec/Inca/Maya survive the Conqueror and strike the Conqueror back?

I did. Inca vs Dutch.. It's so cool, IMO. AI Inca gradually took all of Dutch's possession in Andes without any intervention from me at all hahaha

 

[Depravo]

Why do we have Orthodoxy before the Great Schism (1054) ? Can't we just have "Orthodoxy was founded in Constantinople" event around 1050 with a forced Byzantine conversion?

The Western and Eastern Churches were at loggerheads since well before the Great Schism. Having Byzantium start off as Orthodox isn't strictly accurate but it's better than adding yet more iron fisted determinism later in the game.

 

[Thor Macklin]

I suggest giving Orthodoxy a 500% bonus in science production and commerce. Sound good to you all?

By the way why is india so crowded? I mean Patliputra (despite it's okay-ness as a city) has MAJOR historical importance. But besides Delhi and Mumbai the other cities are rather crowding the area. Maybe Kolkutta and the others in the south be replaced with madras?

 

[J. pride]

madras

Madras is there, its just named (cant think of the name). The city by the river south of Calcutta is renamed into Madras when colonized.

 

[jammerculture]

holy crap, don't sneak up on a fella like that

 

[Leoreth]

Exactly, Kanchipuram is Madras.

 

[Thor Macklin]

ah so it is. my apologies.


Then in all honesty why have so many cities in india?

 

[strijder20]

Leoreth, could you perhaps implement a 'collapse after Lisbon is captured' mechanic for Portugal?
It feels weird that the Netherlands always collapse, but Portugal is saved from this treatment.

 

[civ_king]

Leoreth, could you perhaps implement a 'collapse after Lisbon is captured' mechanic for Portugal?
It feels weird that the Netherlands always collapse, but Portugal is saved from this treatment.

history, bro

 

[ozqar]

history, bro

Well, that led to Brazilian independence. So capture of Lisbon (and maybe of other European colonial powers) could be an additional trigger for Latin American spawns, perhaps if the metropolis isn't captured back in a couple of turns (if and when LatAm countries are added to DoC).

 

[civ_king]

Well, that led to Brazilian independence. So capture of Lisbon (and maybe of other European colonial powers) could be an additional trigger for Latin American spawns, perhaps if the metropolis isn't captured back in a couple of turns (if and when LatAm countries are added to DoC).

Until Brazil is a civ they shouldn't collapse, remember, Brazil was lead by a Portuguese monarch.

 

[Depravo]

The French never got to Lisbon. On the other hand, the Dutch empire survived the elimination of their home country by France. I understand at one point the 'free' Netherlands were down to one Asian trading post.