EU court annuls data deal with US

[blackheart]

Here's my take on it. If European flights don't want to send the data, don't bother flying to the US. Feel free to impose the same requirements on US flights to Europe as that won't bother me in the least.

It'll bother me, and fat chance of that happening.

 

[Winner]

When did you start to care about privacy and freedom?

Other than that, good thing.

I always did, especially when Americans are trying to impose their big brother rules on the rest of the world.

 

[bhsup]

I always did, especially when Americans are trying to impose their big brother rules on the rest of the world.

I beg your pardon? We're doing no such thing. If you don't want to give over this information, you are more than free to NOT FLY to the USA. Nobody is making you get on a plane and fly here.

 

[Winner]

I beg your pardon? We're doing no such thing. If you don't want to give over this information, you are more than free to NOT FLY to the USA. Nobody is making you get on a plane and fly here.

How liberal is that

The US government is not only destroying the rights of its citizens, it is spying on the other countries, forcing other states to follow its rules by threats of economic sanctions, while ignoring international organisations trying to protect the human rights (such as the ICJ).

This whole data deal is just a tip of the iceberg. And you wonder, why people don't like America...

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

At last they do this. We are no ones pet.

 

[Winner]

At last they do this. We are no ones pet.

Unfortunately, our national governments are.

 

[Grisu]

I beg your pardon? We're doing no such thing. If you don't want to give over this information, you are more than free to NOT FLY to the USA. Nobody is making you get on a plane and fly here.

the US is perfectly within its rights to demand to know these things, even though I think it's a pretty ridiculous idea, but hey, it's your country. what I don't agree with, however is that the force the airlines to give them this information. I gave my personal info to the airline for their own use only, not to give it to someone else.

If the US is so keen on my credit card info they should demand it from me directly upon entry into the US. I can then decide by myself wether I want to give them the data or not. The way it is now, the passenger won't know who gets his infos and the US authorities are using the airlines to do their job for them.

 

[bhsup]

@KaeptnOvi: Now that, I have to admit, is a legitimate gripe. I don't know whether the US requires entrance visas for Europeans or just your nations' not, but if not I guess they can now start requiring them and demanding all of the information before the entrance visa is granted.

 

[Samson]

@KaeptnOvi: Now that, I have to admit, is a legitimate gripe. I don't know whether the US requires entrance visas for Europeans or just your nations' not, but if not I guess they can now start requiring them and demanding all of the information before the entrance visa is granted.

I am from the UK, I do not need an entrance visa but I do need to fill in a "visa waver form". I would put the information they require on that.

As I think I said above, it is the way they are trying to get this information via a third party that indicates to me that they do not want it to be obvious that they are taking this information. This sort of deception really gets my back up.

I would have no problem with them requireing any information on the visa or visa waver form.

 

[ArneHD]

I think that the world would be better if all nations followed the Jante law(s).

 

[blackheart]

I think that the world would be better if all nations followed the Jante law(s).

Which are?...

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Which are?...

Paraphrased, all of them run "Shut up and take it like a nobody in a despotism".

Full set:

1. You shall not think that you are special.
2. You shall not think that you are of the same standing as us.
3. You shall not think that you are smarter than us.
4. Don't fancy yourself as being better than us.
5. You shall not think that you know more than us.
6. You shall not think that you are more important than us.
7. You shall not think that you are good at anything.
8. You shall not laugh at us.
9. You shall not think that anyone cares about you.
10. You shall not think that you can teach us anything.

 

[Rik Meleet]

@KaeptnOvi: Now that, I have to admit, is a legitimate gripe. I don't know whether the US requires entrance visas for Europeans or just your nations' not, but if not I guess they can now start requiring them and demanding all of the information before the entrance visa is granted.

The reason is obvious; by demanding it from the Airlines instead of from the USA embasies and visa-give off points the cost of this lays with the Airlines and not with the USA foreign department. :thumbdown

Anyway - the repeating mantra "If you don't want it, don't come to the USA" is losing validity because better alternatives for the goal of protecting the USA from terrorists are presented.

Weird point is that you'd like to prevent terrorists from being on planes at all; then why check after the plane has taken off ??

It's not like the USA will shoot down a passenger plane.

I mean: "It's not like the USA will shoot down a passenger plane" - again.

I mean: "It's not like the USA will shoot down a passenger plane" - again and then hand out medals to all of the crew for "heroic achievement".

I mean: I hope ...

 

[Tulkas12]

I think Europe should destroy the evil hateful US. All of our people should be eradicated by the Europeans. Honestly just kill us all, we are obviously the source of all your misery.

Synicism aside. Beyond a contraversial supreme court ruling over here, the right to privacy is highly suspect anyways. I still never understood this from a citizen point of veiw. You are willing to show your I.D. to every numbskull that asks until its a government official. I think this is just obstinance, nothing else. I really wish that congress had declared a state of war, and we could show just how un-democratic and big brother crap can really get. We didn't so I agree with the sentiment in the thread, it is your right not to have to show I.D.

 

[Samson]

You are willing to show your I.D. to every numbskull that asks until its a government official.

Sorry, but this bit I do not get. The only time I have been asked for ID from a non-govenment official (in fact anyone but the police) is when buying age related things (tobacco and alcohol), and that has not happened outside of the US for over a decade. What are you getting at here?

 

[IglooDame]

I think Europe should destroy the evil hateful US. All of our people should be eradicated by the Europeans. Honestly just kill us all, we are obviously the source of all your misery.

Synicism aside. Beyond a contraversial supreme court ruling over here, the right to privacy is highly suspect anyways. I still never understood this from a citizen point of veiw. You are willing to show your I.D. to every numbskull that asks until its a government official. I think this is just obstinance, nothing else. I really wish that congress had declared a state of war, and we could show just how un-democratic and big brother crap can really get. We didn't so I agree with the sentiment in the thread, it is your right not to have to show I.D.

It might have something to do with the fact that government officials can compel you to do things (or not do things), with a gun to your head or years of jail time. Wal-Mart, the airlines, et al can screw up your credit rating, or refuse to serve you, or even send you spam email, but force is a government monopoly. If you don't understand the difference, you haven't been paying attention.